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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by ryandrake »

andrewflnr wrote: post #510
ryandrake wrote: post #452

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Exactly. Trump is just a symptom. If he disappeared tomorrow, the people who elected him are still here, and they still want the same things: Belligerence, Cruelty, Isolationism, and lots of other terrible things. When Trump is no longer in the picture, they'll find a new candidate who offers this.

Well, the isolationism is dubious. Trump and his followers (with a few exceptions, granted) seem happy to throw isolationism to the wind as soon as there's a chance of wielding power over a defeated enemy.

For sure. Isolationism is a far distant third when it comes to what they value. They just want someone who is belligerent and promises to grief people they don't like. Any ol' candidate who fits that pattern can be next in line.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by JCattheATM »

xp84 wrote: post #746
JCattheATM wrote: post #715

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No, they lost because much of the population is bigoted and did fall for misinformation. People started sharing the nonsense about Haitians eating cats and dogs, they fell for the transpanic ads...and many were still not comfortable with a woman in charge. Misinformation and bigotry, and it's not out of touch to recognize that. The problem is with the people more than the party, and fighting that so we can actually p…

No, it seriously was not that. We didn't refuse to vote for Harris because of the idiotic cats nonsense. It was in large part her and the whole DNC's explicit embrace of DEI (note: "i don't like DEI" isn't anti-minority. Plenty of minorities also want to get jobs and admitted to schools because they qualify for and earn those things and not as a free handout because of their skin). Not 20 years ago, like 90% of Ameri…

And for that you threw the entire country away? Based on mostly fear and misunderstanding? There was another user I saw on here who defended voting for T because, despite apparently having always voted D in the past, he "could not look his white teenage sons in the eye and tell them he voted for people that would make them the enemy" - what absolute nonsense.

DEI may have gone too far in some areas, but that would largely be corporations trying to cash in, not anything planned by the possible Harris administration, and nothing demonstrable by the Biden administration.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by JCattheATM »

terminalshort wrote: post #758
JCattheATM wrote: post #715

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No, they lost because much of the population is bigoted and did fall for misinformation. People started sharing the nonsense about Haitians eating cats and dogs, they fell for the transpanic ads...and many were still not comfortable with a woman in charge. Misinformation and bigotry, and it's not out of touch to recognize that. The problem is with the people more than the party, and fighting that so we can actually p…

Sure, go ahead and keep telling yourself that comforting myth that it was all because of lies and dirty tricks. But according to polls the general public, even during the chaos today, supports the Republicans over the Democrats on most of the major political issues: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/poll-americans-trust-rep...

It was absolutely due to lies and dirty tricks at least in part - I'm sure I can find objective analysis of people who said they voted because they believed various lies and disinformation if you like?

But, let's say you're right to an extent, that's just incredibly depressing and shows that the problem ultimately lies with the people.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by samus »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #626
samus wrote: post #613

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Teams has the upside that is is deeply integrated in Microsoft products.

That seems like a downside to me, but as a Linux user, I tend to shun Microsoft products. I do have to use Teams occasionally for work and bizarrely the web client in Firefox works far better than the native Linux Teams client. Not particularly difficult as the Linux Teams client wouldn't do anything except display a blank box (this was on Ubuntu).

Indeed, even merely as a pinned tab in Firefox it's excellent.

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Post by oskarw85 »

johnsmith1840 wrote: post #760
palata wrote: post #572

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They said "to be politically and economically equidistant from the US and China". I don't see any mention of being "best friends" with China. It's not like if the US was exactly a "friend" at all these days.

Again words vs reality. Reality is that China is openly suporting a war against europe. But words give leverage against US in negotiations.

EU just signed huge deal with India.

Words vs reality.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by johnsmith1840 »

oskarw85 wrote: post #765
johnsmith1840 wrote: post #760

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Again words vs reality. Reality is that China is openly suporting a war against europe. But words give leverage against US in negotiations.

EU just signed huge deal with India. Words vs reality.

That helps US geopolitical goals.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by disqard »

plaidfuji wrote: post #718
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #374

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There is no unringing this bell. Maybe a sane administration would slow the migration, but the damage is done. America is a capricious partner who can flip the table at any moment.

Exactly. Trump is just the messenger. The underlying problem, festering for decades, is that a large enough fraction of the US population thought that Trump was even remotely qualified to lead a country to begin with. The fact that we didn’t immediately remove him after the Greenland letter just demonstrated to our allies that that same fraction of people also don’t value our relationship with Europe. The CCP looks t…

The fact that we didn't jail/banish him after leading an insurrection against the US Capitol was the "too far gone" moment.

Anything after that, is just Yet Another millimeter along the same trajectory:

Well, if we let him get away with J6, then I don't see how this is too much worse.

To tie this to your point, I honestly don't see why the Greenland letter should suddenly be the straw that shatters this particular dromedary's spine.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by rw_grim »

ninalanyon wrote: post #587
jillesvangurp wrote: post #571

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With 40M people, Canada is about half the size of Germany in terms of population and GDP. Also smaller than France. Canada is more similar in GDP to countries like Italy. The Spanish economy is a bit smaller but it has slightly more people (48M). The EU + UK is a bit over half a billion people. The thing with Zoom, Meets, Teams, etc. is that these aren't that hard to replicate. There is not much of a technical moat.…

We need the EU to do for software what it did for device charging and require interoperability. There used to be several 'universal' chat clients, for example Pidgin.

We (Pidgin) are still around.. You may be interested in our state of the bird posts to see what we've been up to. https://discourse.imfreedom.org/tag/state-of-the-bird

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by terminalshort »

JCattheATM wrote: post #762
xp84 wrote: post #746

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it seriously was not that. We didn't refuse to vote for Harris because of the idiotic cats nonsense. It was in large part her and the whole DNC's explicit embrace of DEI (note: "i don't like DEI" isn't anti-minority. Plenty of minorities also want to get jobs and admitted to schools because they qualify for and earn those things and not as a free handout because of their skin). Not 20 years ago, like 90% of Ameri…

And for that you threw the entire country away? Based on mostly fear and misunderstanding? There was another user I saw on here who defended voting for T because, despite apparently having always voted D in the past, he "could not look his white teenage sons in the eye and tell them he voted for people that would make them the enemy" - what absolute nonsense. DEI may have gone too far in some areas, but that would la…

DEI went too far the second it violated the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which explicitly bans all discrimination based on race in hiring. It doesn't matter if Biden or Harris or any other democrat leader didn't explicitly initiate any of these policies. Their failure to prosecute for these obvious (and sometimes even publicly bragged about by the companies) violations of civil rights law that is supposed to protect me is more than enough to lose any chance of getting my vote. I am willing to watch quite a lot of things burn if the alternative is a racist regime against me.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by jorvi »

SirMaster wrote: post #716
Epa095 wrote: post #373

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What scenario is this? If AOSP is suddenly the only acceptable smart-os on phones for 600 million people, I think it would work out yes.

Isn’t that the scenario in this post? Cutting all ties with US companies. So they would stop using code written by Google. Isn’t most of the AOSP code written upstream by Google?

AOSP is mostly licensed Apache and LGPL. The repos have probably been cloned a million times. Although Google has taken large swathes of the project (like the launcher or Settings app) behind closed proprietary doors. But that is not a huge obstacle, there are already plenty of decent open source launchers.

The most important thing would be a (drop-in) alternative for Firebase Cloud Messaging. Without it, you can say bye bye to any decent battery life.

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