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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by mgh95 »

lm28469 wrote: post #226
PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #219

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>2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market I was making hardware at one point, and it took less than a day to decide that Europe was not getting our product. The regulations were insane. I imagine software is significantly easier, but there is a mountain of difference when it comes to electrical and plumbing.

Regulations are le bad. - signed someone from a country where ~10m people still drink water from lead pipes (the USA)

And in France alone 7.5 million home have lead pipes [1].

[1] https://www.zerowaterfilter.com/blogs/zerowater-knowledge-ce...

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by ryandrake »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #407
xp84 wrote: post #388

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> weaponized against us I take a more optimistic stance here. Trump can only live so long, and everybody except basically Trump and John Bolton knows that the majority of his idiotic tariffs (and nonsensical belligerence like pretending NATO control of Greenland doesn't meet all our defense needs) are wealth-destroying on net, as well as wealth-destroying for at least 10x the number of people than they help (many of…

Americans elected trump not just one time. They did it twice. They all knew who he was by the end of the first mandate yet they still elected him again. Why wouldn’t they find another « trump like » when trump goes away ? Vance or someone else, the list is long. I see no reason for things to change and that’s if the USA doesn’t become an autocracy in the meantime. Trump already did so much in a year, that’s fascinati…

Exactly. Trump is just a symptom. If he disappeared tomorrow, the people who elected him are still here, and they still want the same things: Belligerence, Cruelty, Isolationism, and lots of other terrible things. When Trump is no longer in the picture, they'll find a new candidate who offers this.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by bethekidyouwant »

comonoid wrote: post #322
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #269

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lol hahaha Europe will "say" and maybe in a few decades they might get around to starting some of that. Europe still buys gas from Russia; can't even ween itself off it during a war.

Switching gas providers is more difficult than switching from Zoom to Google Meet or other alternative.

I think building an entire software stack that works is probably harder than buying more expensive gas from a different country

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Post by bethekidyouwant »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #446
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #431

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They still don't have the capacity and I'm still betting they aren't going to build new ones.

They literally have an LNG export terminal that is operational today and shipping cargo. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45919580 (citations)

What’s closer to Europe, Canada‘s West Coast or Australia?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by xp84 »

dillydogg wrote: post #450
Propelloni wrote: post #418

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> Note that I'm not saying everyone should give the US a pass or maintain as much economic and defense dependency on the US. But I think it's hyperbolic to make all your long-term plans assuming something as stupid and self-defeating as his worst anti-ally policies are a new normal, because they harm the US at least as much as they harm everyone else, and everyone but those two knows this. It is debatable if everyone…

For those who haven't looked at the results, I find them more depressing: >What emotion best describes how you feel about Donald Trump’s presidency so far? Of Republicans: 40% Satisfaction 24% Enthusiasm/pride 6% Hope 5% Relief They are loving this.

Of course they are, they haven't seen or thought through any consequences yet. Wait and see how they feel in 2 ½ more years.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by simgt »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #415
yodsanklai wrote: post #408

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> i bet there would a be lot to win if we diplomatically supported China annexion of Taiwan Sure, and let's give Ukraine to Russia while we're here so we can get their gas. The problem with the bullies is that they'll keep taking.

Ukraine is European problem. Taiwan, Who cares in Europe ? As long as we have access to microprocessors… Trump v2 is the greatest change in world policy, adapt or die trying.

It's fairly obvious that France won't do much if China were to invade Taiwan, but we can at the very least pretend that we care about their fate. It's a much better functioning democracy than ours.

There was never a scenario in which Russian tanks were to get into Paris.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by xp84 »

ryandrake wrote: post #452
aucisson_masque wrote: post #407

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Americans elected trump not just one time. They did it twice. They all knew who he was by the end of the first mandate yet they still elected him again. Why wouldn’t they find another « trump like » when trump goes away ? Vance or someone else, the list is long. I see no reason for things to change and that’s if the USA doesn’t become an autocracy in the meantime. Trump already did so much in a year, that’s fascinati…

Exactly. Trump is just a symptom. If he disappeared tomorrow, the people who elected him are still here, and they still want the same things: Belligerence, Cruelty, Isolationism, and lots of other terrible things. When Trump is no longer in the picture, they'll find a new candidate who offers this.

You don't have to convince every Trump voter. The margin who swung from Biden to Trump and elected Trump aren't all those things. They just don't want what the Dems were selling in 2024, specifically: the dems' adopted ideology surrounding gender, plus using race and gender to pick who gets jobs and into schools, rather than merit. If they removed just those two planks from the DNC platform, (1) Harris would have never been nominated, and (2) Trump couldn't have won.

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Post by globalnode »

xp84 wrote: post #388
beloch wrote: post #246

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Don't take the Canadian market for granted. There's a strong desire to forge closer links with the EU now and reduce dependence on products that could be weaponized against us at any time. Geographic proximity doesn't count for much when it comes to software.

> weaponized against us I take a more optimistic stance here. Trump can only live so long, and everybody except basically Trump and John Bolton knows that the majority of his idiotic tariffs (and nonsensical belligerence like pretending NATO control of Greenland doesn't meet all our defense needs) are wealth-destroying on net, as well as wealth-destroying for at least 10x the number of people than they help (many of…

trump disappearing isnt going to restore trust now the world has seen how broken american politics is.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by SanjayMehta »

xp84 wrote: post #388
beloch wrote: post #246

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Don't take the Canadian market for granted. There's a strong desire to forge closer links with the EU now and reduce dependence on products that could be weaponized against us at any time. Geographic proximity doesn't count for much when it comes to software.

> weaponized against us I take a more optimistic stance here. Trump can only live so long, and everybody except basically Trump and John Bolton knows that the majority of his idiotic tariffs (and nonsensical belligerence like pretending NATO control of Greenland doesn't meet all our defense needs) are wealth-destroying on net, as well as wealth-destroying for at least 10x the number of people than they help (many of…

The damage Trump has done to international relations will last much longer than the three years that he has left in office.

It was an open secret that the USA was a transactional unreliable ally, now it's just common knowledge.

Even the most ardent "look West" politicians have stopped talking about avoiding China.

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