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Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by ezoe »

AlexandrB wrote: post #626
ezoe wrote: post #554

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CC only works on things that are copyright protected works. Is ML model binary file a derivative works of the learning source? I don't think so.

Why not?

Because it doesn't.

The Japanese copyright law clearly stated decades ago and recent US court favors Anthropic on this regard.

Copyright isn't granted on mere information or thought.

If you take somebody's copyrighted writing, analyze it and publish information such as how many words or sentence in it or other information about that copyrighted work, that's not a derivative works of original copyrighted work.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by ezoe »

josefx wrote: post #202
ezoe wrote: post #86

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Once your work is published under Creative Commons license, it is irreversible. No matter you have a copyright or not. You can't undo it the fact at one point you published your work in one of Creative Commons license(there are multiple incompatible Creative Commons licenses so it's bit complicated). You can make updated version of your work to non-CC, but the version you published under CC is CC.

> Once your work is published under Creative Commons license, it is irreversible. I am not sure how it is under Japanese law, but in some countries a creator cannot be stripped of his rights by agreeing to a license. Even without that there is often a way to rescind any gift given in good faith if the receipients behavior warrants it.

In case of Japanese copyright law, that is 著作人格権(moral rights). A right that protect his work isn't used in a way the author don't want it.

It includes right to be not published(like a personal letter intended to be secret), attribution, right to be identical preservation(modifying in a way author don't intended, like adding extra arm to 3-arms monster)

You see, these rights are covered in Creative Commons, by agreeing and publishing his work under Creative Commons, the author explicitly promised he won't use these exclusive rights against the users.

If he didn't agree on the spirit of Creative Commons, why did he contributed Mozilla in CC license for 20 years? Did he intended to taint free software by incompatible non-free work?

This is exactly what happens if you ignore the free software definition explained by RMS.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by throw_a_grenade »

crazygringo wrote: post #635
throw_a_grenade wrote: post #126

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Even if not a high level, then s/he had to learn that style of communication from peers in the corp, and the tone is set by managers. It's entirely OK to blame someone who has title “Manager”.

The style of communication seems perfectly fine to me. It's acknowledging there's a problem, apologizing as much as they can before they have the real facts, and offering to communicate over the phone to figure out what's really going on. I honestly don't know what more you want from someone who is a customer service manager. Not the leader of the team who built the translation product.

The problem is, its false to insist that the manager does not have real facts. The facts have been stated by OP in the first post in the thread, and while the statement can be true or false, it's not like it's not there. The responder should have listened and evaluated this, possibly with consultation with PM of the feature, and just by this response we can assume s/he just didn't listen.

Moreover, OP chose the very thread as the venue, and attempting to switch it to a different, intransparent one is a disservice to the community. Community is very important context of this message, and the response seems to validate the proposition that it's really the end of it, per the subject of the thread.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by pezezin »

trallnag wrote: post #508
adeptima wrote: post #7

10+ years in Japan. The message here is much deeper from my perspective. “Let’s jump on the call” is not the solution. The guy was stripped off of his face. I love Japan for being human. Small business bar or restaurant with 3 tables. Not everything should be streamlined for a quick call solution… the process was pushed on his head. Google nemawashi decision making process

"I love Japan for being human". What does this even mean? Immediately followed by something about food?

Be glad he didn't mention that Japan has four seasons...

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by port11 »

jesterson wrote: post #329
port11 wrote: post #308

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Acknowledging the mistake immediately seems like a good start, as I've said. Life doesn't always have to be from the perspective from “a manager”, these are community volunteers doing untold hours of unpaid work. Just be a person, whose acquaintance is upset you replaced their handmade postcard with an AI-generated one.

Acknowledging a mistake, no matter genuinely or not, doesn't solve the situation. It just makes victim feel good a bit. Agree on manager view, I was rather putting situation in a wrong perspective. It doesn't change the questions though - what would you do to resolve the situation (not to make the other side feel good)?

> Acknowledging a mistake, no matter genuinely or not, doesn't solve the situation. It just makes victim feel good a bit.

This feels very wrong to me, I'm sorry, but I'd be very pissed if you told me such a thing in a personal context. Reminds of Stanley from The Office, who claims he never apologised to any of his wives.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by pezezin »

stackedinserter wrote: post #641
armada651 wrote: post #151

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Move fast and break stuff didn't work out much better though.

But it does work much better, why do you think it didn't?

Yeah, Japanese economy has been quite stagnant since the bubble collapse in 1990. Pretending that their model works is ridiculous.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by pezezin »

iamevn wrote: post #759
danieltanfh95 wrote: post #750

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This isn't dismissing, this is respecting that this is a risk factor in involving Japanese contributors.

Please reread what you wrote and try to see if you can see how it comes off as at least culturally insensitive if not outright racist.

I live in Japan so I have seen what danieltanfh95 describes many times in person. Japanese people at work seem to have infinite patience with whatever random bullshit their company will ask for, but outside of work they get easily frustrated when things don't go the way they expect.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by delfinom »

ryandrake wrote: post #677
rurp wrote: post #667

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Yes, this exactly. Firefox became the one good avenue for preventing a Google monopoly over the web and Mozilla just completely fumbled the opportunity again and again. This isn't about one or two screwups, it's been a decade or more of the same problems. It sucks. I absolutely don't want Google to have total control over the web and still want Firefox to succeed, but at this point it's clear they have failed. I stil…

The only thing Mozilla seems to do is pay their leadership a fortune so that they can kick own-goals over and over.

Yep, their CEO and other leadership are stereotypical deadweight that holds layoffs annually to increase their salaries and bonuses. Absolute trash.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by pezezin »

ekianjo wrote: post #513
krick wrote: post #72

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I can imagine what you mean, but since I am not in Japan, it would be interesting why you feel that way.

would take a long time to expand on this in sufficient details, because it's hard to understand unless you live it and see it. People very rarely speak up in meetings (silence is the norm, just like they were taught in school), and therefore you never get to see exactly what people feel or think about what you are planning to do. So the norm is that most people talk and exchange in other venues (usually in your back,…

I also live in Japan and everything you wrote is true, but I would add more point: extreme risk aversion that results in any tiny change getting discussed to ridiculous levels.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by crazygringo »

StarGrit wrote: post #702
crazygringo wrote: post #663

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> I suspect that you didn't understand the subtext of the conversation. I suspect you're inventing a subtext that simply isn't there. > I actually prefer these environments, I can assume everyone around me is a snake. Again, I'm really sorry. That's a very, very sad thing. > I am sure other people have explained this to you. However it is extremely simple. This process you're describing doesn't make any sense. People…

> I suspect you're inventing a subtext that simply isn't there. No I am not. I don't appreciate being gas-lite about this. How this office politik is used is covered in blogs, covered on YouTube. My parents, friends and colleagues are aware of it. Maybe you need to open your eyes. > Again, I'm really sorry. That's a very, very sad thing. Stop apologising, I find it patronising and insincere, even if that isn't your i…

>>> I suspect that you didn't understand the subtext of the conversation.

>> I suspect you're inventing a subtext that simply isn't there.

> No I am not. I don't appreciate being gas-lite about this.

It's not gaslighting to simply disagree. So please don't throw around accusations like that. Subtext is by definition open to interpretation.

I wasn't trying to be patronizing, and I certainly wasn't "feigning concern". Again, that's the response of a cynic who refuses to believe that sincerity and good intentions are possible. But you are making it clear you don't want to continue the conversation so that's fine.

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