End of Japanese community

Post by armada651 » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 5:24 AM UTC

rtpg wrote: post #101

krick wrote: post #72

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I can imagine what you mean, but since I am not in Japan, it would be interesting why you feel that way.

long and slow consensus building that weighs existing stakeholder's opinions heavily vs doing "the right thing" from the outset. So you move slowly and end up having very annoying conversations and compromises instead of just pushing something through. And the formal process is just a formality anyways, so then anyone not in the informal chatter just gets to experience the capriciousness anyways The sort of consensus…

Post by numpad0 » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 5:26 AM UTC

sitharus wrote: post #68

pseudalopex wrote: post #24

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> It sounds like Mozilla just turned on the machine without consulting the human translators to see if the machine actually worked in a useful manner. Yes. And someone should make a real apology. But learning what the machine did wrong is part of fixing a machine.

Yes, that's why you engage with the people doing the work first and run it on a staging environment to see what would be overwritten. You test until it's working well enough to enhance the effort done by the translators.

Post by ricudis » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 5:26 AM UTC

mkagenius wrote: post #118

davidclark wrote: post #38

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My guess would be the anger comes from implication that is a possible solution at all. This type of “hop on a call” request is not usually actually designed to “truly understand what you're struggling with.” (words from the post) Instead it is usually a PR tactic. The goal of the call requester is to get your acquiescence. Most people are less likely to be confrontational and stand up for themselves when presented wi…

Are we reading too much into one sentence? HN comments dese days

Post by jwrallie » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 5:28 AM UTC

Groxx wrote: post #133

Waterluvian wrote: post #71

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I’m not sure those who speak like that are equipped to understand how offensive their words and tone can be. It suggests a decision can be reversed with a quick call, which questions one’s choices or conviction. As if to suggest the choice was made without considerable thought and care. It’s such an unserious tone to a moment that’s very serious to the other.

I think it's because it's almost never accompanied by "we may have fucked up, please help us understand how to fix it now and in the future". It's almost always (like this time) "I'm sorry you feel that way, please spend more of your free time ", and sometimes (like this time) "[we're doing it anyway but maybe we'll make some changes]". It feels insulting because it is insulting. The decision has been made, they just…

Post by kentm » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 5:30 AM UTC

handoflixue wrote: post #114

crazygringo wrote: post #58

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The problems are nowhere near actionable. A lot more information is needed. E.g. literally the first bullet: "It doesn't follow our translation guidelines". OK -- where are those guidelines? Is there a way to get it to follow them, like another commenter says works? Does the person need help following the process for that? Or is there a bug? Etc. These are the things a call can clarify. It's the necessary first step,…

> where are those guidelines? It's entirely possible that such information is well-known to everyone involved in the translation community. I would consider it outright insulting if someone who ostensibly "wants to help" doesn't know basic information like that - if the people making decisions about SumoBot are NOT aware of basic information like "where to find the local translation guidelines" then they are presumab…