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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by dsego »

basisword wrote: post #271

A lot of the focus here is on the design (obviously). It took me a while to get used to it. But there are a lot of really great improvements in this release that make it worth it. Spotlight gets big updates. Live activities and notifications syncing from your phone. Journal. Music app has been massively updated and redesigned. Phone app. And surprisingly it doesn’t feel like a launch release - definitely less buggy t…

> Music app has been massively updated and redesigned.

How is this good design? I have to precisely hover over the puny slider and then it blurs everything? There is enough space to show proper controls for playback. And why are the controls at the bottom.

https://imgur.com/a/vdBeG8g

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by amarshall »

rafram wrote: post #721
amarshall wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> SO much padding No idea on macOS, but turn on Reduce Transparency on iOS and there’s tons of padding most of the time, but then sometimes zero padding. And I mean zero. The edges of buttons and text are at the edge of the underlying background. It’s…embarrassing.

I noticed that in iOS Safari. Reduce Transparency brings back the bottom toolbar containing the search/URL field and buttons, but there’s zero padding between the buttons and the edge. Makes it fairly obvious that nobody tested it.

Enabling Reduce Transparency is a sure-fire way to find a dozen bugs within a few hours. It is always quite apparent no one who is empowered tests it at Apple. At least the padding issue is the one Feedback report I sent that got the “more than 10 similar issues” label so it may actual get fixed.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by isaachinman »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #752
TomaszZielinski wrote: post #742

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Re 1., based on [1] it seems that some data loss bugs are getting fixed. Asymptotically :) [1] https://mjtsai.com/blog/2019/10/11/mail-data-loss-in-macos-1...

I used to love Apple Mail but it was precisely this bug that made me move permanently to Thunderbird. It's hard for me to fathom a bug so severe that it caused data loss on an IMAP server , but Apple created said bug and put it into production . Thunderbird has the nice advantage of working on both MacOS and Linux with the same UI. It's not quite as nice as Apple Mail's classic UI (which is no longer available -- see…

Also ran into serious issues with Apple Mail, and started building a new product:

https://marcoapp.io

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by basisword »

dsego wrote: post #761
basisword wrote: post #271

A lot of the focus here is on the design (obviously). It took me a while to get used to it. But there are a lot of really great improvements in this release that make it worth it. Spotlight gets big updates. Live activities and notifications syncing from your phone. Journal. Music app has been massively updated and redesigned. Phone app. And surprisingly it doesn’t feel like a launch release - definitely less buggy t…

> Music app has been massively updated and redesigned. How is this good design? I have to precisely hover over the puny slider and then it blurs everything? There is enough space to show proper controls for playback. And why are the controls at the bottom. https://imgur.com/a/vdBeG8g

That doesn't take away from the fact it had a major update and redesign. There are definitely still issues but it seems much snappier than the previous iteration where it felt like using embedded web views. Pins are great too.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by monkeyelite »

pfortuny wrote: post #526
smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

Either Tim Cook does not use a Mac computer or he does not notice/care. I am not saying he should helicopter-parent all the design process but the "finished" product? So: that is Apple's CEO for you.

It’s Craig, not Tim.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by xutopia »

For me the main thing is that search is now more prominent for a lot of apps (this is even more true on iOS). It used to be that we had to go to the top on iOS to get search but now it's always at the bottom near the fingers.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by zitterbewegung »

Am I one of few people that doesn't have a big negative sentiment torwards Tahoe? I suspect that if it is this bad they will start making a point release to address liquid glass. I do agree though that there is a jarring look to the slabs of glass on glass for the layouts in the system. Another thing that sort of weirds me out is that the system preferences has the icons being loaded after the window is present and I have liked using spotlight for a much longer time. I have also been using Siri by typing in queries and the integration of the dynamic island into the menu bar is pretty great.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by deafpolygon »

al_borland wrote: post #702
BruceEel wrote: post #22

I'm not quite sure what to make of Liquid Glass, I developed an allergy of sorts to the term while listening to the keynote. Any 'relevant' new features for power users / cmd line geeks that you know of?

Apple Notes now supports Markdown import and export. Spotlight now supports actions, so you can do things directly from Spotlight (kind of like Quicksilver back in the day, or Raycast more currently). Your custom made Shortcuts can also be triggered. It’s also context aware, so you can do things for the app/document you’re in. Spotlight also integrates clipboard history. The Terminal gets Powerline glyphs, new themes…

What new fonts?

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by kbolino »

basisword wrote: post #266
FabHK wrote: post #221

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> 4. The app launcher is gone, and replaced by Spotlight, which is worse. Do you mean the Launchpad? (I've never used it; but always use Spotlight to launch apps.)

The biggest surprise to me from this whole beta period is that a significant number of people used Launchpad. I have absolutely zero idea why when Spotlight has existed for more than 20 years. Why would you ever want to click and page through a giant iPhone screen on a desktop/laptop computer?

Spotlight indexing (mediaanalysisd, mds_stores) has a bad habit of running so aggressively when I'm not using the computer (I have an M1 mini and an M4 MBP) that it noticeably heats up the case. I've had to shut it off out of concern for wasted power and SSD life. Naturally, Apple has no response to this problem, and you can't really diagnose or fix anything on your own without turning off SIP, so I've had to disable Spotlight. Launchpad isn't as convenient, but it doesn't require indexing.
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