FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

Post by Jensson » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 8:56 PM UTC

ajross wrote: post #755

Jensson wrote: post #741

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> It can't very well be "obstruction" if they aren't empowered to do the search in the first place, can it? The allegation is that she obstructed an arrest by changing standard procedure, she wasn't arrested for obstructing search that part was fine. The ICE agents were legally allowed to wait outside and arrest the man as he stepped out, the judge leading the man out the backdoor after she learned ICE agents were wa…

> obstructed an arrest by changing standard procedure Which sounds awfully novel to me. You really want to tear down the structure of democracy over this kind of nitpicking on "procedure"? I remain horrified that people I really thought were normal Americans are willing to burn it all down just so they don't have to hear Spanish spoken in their doctor's office.

Post by mrguyorama » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 8:59 PM UTC

timewizard wrote: post #619

cactacea wrote: post #454

ICE has absolutely no business in state courthouses. The federal interest in enforcing immigration law should not be placed above the state's interest in enforcing equal protection under the law. Consider the case of a undocumented rape victim. Do they not deserve justice? Are we better off letting a rapist go free when their victim cannot testify against them because they were deported? I think not and I do not want…

> Are we better off letting a rapist go free when their victim cannot testify against them because they were deported? That's not an actual outcome that would occur. Cases can proceed if the victim is unavailable. Do we let a rapist off because their victim had an untimely death? Obviously not. In the case of a deportee, if we have a sworn statement from them, or can remotely depose them, then their testimony would b…

Post by DrillShopper » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 8:59 PM UTC

xyzzy9563 wrote: post #530

crooked-v wrote: post #319

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I find it extremely doubtful that she told the agents he'd be leaving through a particular door or that she had any legal obligation to make sure the man exited in a particular way.

It's a crime to harbor or aid illegals in evading federal authorities. So this is a legal obligation of every person.

Post by ivape » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 9:00 PM UTC

lolinder wrote: post #721

Animats wrote: post #602

A key point here, which the judge brought up with the ICE agents, is that they only had an "administrative warrant".[1] An “ICE warrant” is not a real warrant. It is not reviewed by a judge or any neutral party to determine if it is based on probable cause. "An immigration officer from ICE or CBP may not enter any nonpublic areas—or areas that are not freely accessible to the public and hence carry a higher expectati…

Another key point is that generally speaking the charge of obstruction of justice requires two ingredients: 1) knowledge of a government proceeding 2) action with intent to interfere with that proceeding It doesn't especially matter in this case whether ICE was entitled to enter the courtroom because she's not being charged for refusing to allow them entry to the room. The allegation is that upon finding out about th…

Post by timewizard » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 9:02 PM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #763

timewizard wrote: post #619

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> Are we better off letting a rapist go free when their victim cannot testify against them because they were deported? That's not an actual outcome that would occur. Cases can proceed if the victim is unavailable. Do we let a rapist off because their victim had an untimely death? Obviously not. In the case of a deportee, if we have a sworn statement from them, or can remotely depose them, then their testimony would b…

In the real world, cases die all the time because the victim refuses to cooperate with the police. This is the point of things like immunity, and laws against witness tampering, and why the Mafia spent so much effort ensuring you knew you would die if you took the stand.