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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

jorgesborges wrote: post #326
JonyEpsilon wrote: post #37

I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

Serious question — why do people so frequently sleep rather than shut down? Is it to save time on booting up? Is it because you want other processes running? All of the pain points below are reasons why I just always shut down. I think I developed the habit at a time when sleep just never worked on my linux machine though, but that was years ago now. I’m speechless reading below that Windows wakes just to install upd…

Primary reason: I need to type a 16-character bitclocker password and then a 16-character Windows password after shutdown. But with all those sleep and overheating issues that's what I do now.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

damon_c wrote: post #432
jorgesborges wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question — why do people so frequently sleep rather than shut down? Is it to save time on booting up? Is it because you want other processes running? All of the pain points below are reasons why I just always shut down. I think I developed the habit at a time when sleep just never worked on my linux machine though, but that was years ago now. I’m speechless reading below that Windows wakes just to install upd…

People who use Macs have been just closing and opening their computers for about a decade and not thinking about it. The wifi is still connected, the ssh session I was in is still connected... The tests I was running when the doorbell rang... they pick up where they left off. It's nice. It's stuff like this that keeps me begrudgingly coming back to Apple for laptops.

I did this with my year 2000 Windows laptop ... just shows Apple is 20 years behind on modern technology.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by katbyte »

naikrovek wrote: post #726
mjaniczek wrote: post #666

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Offtopic: > or when my WiFi router does its daily reboot. Damn, I think that might fix 99% of the issues I have with my WiFi router.

I have a $300 Ubiquiti Dream Machine and that thing CANT be scheduled to reboot. doesn't matter because Ethernet dies twice a day, and I need to use my phone to get to the admin page to restart the thing. most annoying and expensive router I've ever owned. I DO NOT understand how all routers I have ever owned are total garbage, but they all have been.

Weird, my udm pro goes months with no issues.. current uptime of most UniFi devices on my network is over 70 days right now. I’d say contact support because it shouldn’t so that, but their support isn’t great

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Firehawke wrote: post #694
chii wrote: post #675

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> Nothing like being woken up at 2 am because Windows decided now is a good time to update. while i understand the intention behind automatic updates, i feel it's an anti-user design. It is based on the assumption (a bad one) that the user isn't intelligent enough to do the update at a time suitable for them. It assumes that the windows design and dev team knows better. It takes control away from the user. Rather tha…

They tried that. We're all suffering because a large chunk of the user base refused to be responsible on patches. Of course, now Microsoft has made it even worse by having routinely broken patches since they no longer do proper in-house testing. End result? Damned if you do patch, damned if you don't. Windows 10 has been a nightmare in terms of patch quality.

> because a large chunk of the user base refused to be responsible on patches

No, they were very responsible. They knew the updates are likely going to be UX downgrades, slow the machine down, make it bluescreen more, or possibly even brick it. That was the experience around Vista/7. That's still the experience today, maybe sans the bluescreen.

The cardinal sin of Microsoft and every other company pushing automatic updates is update commingling. Mixing up security patches (which users need and might even want) with generic bug fixes (which users need and like) with feature updates (which users don't need, and rightfully don't like). As long as all of those are mixed, updating is a risky job, and many users will responsibly decide not to do it.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by katbyte »

fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

This is why I don’t use windows right here.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by [deleted] »

muttled wrote: post #674
bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #648

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Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

Made me think about a system we have to enter notes in at work. It'll kick you out with 10 minutes of inactivity. But it won't tell you it's kicked you out. You just go to save your notes and it puts you to a login screen, discarding everything you've typed.

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by katbyte »

oauea wrote: post #724
internet2000 wrote: post #700

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Macs sleep on low battery, then hibernate RAM contents to disk when really really empty. You never lose data.

Right, so the same as Windows.

Unless it wakes for some weird reason, or does auto update and blows everything away which has been the general jist of this thread

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by MertsA »

oliv3r wrote: post #583
brianwawok wrote: post #507

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My XPS 13 on Ubuntu while sleping randomly turns on in my backpack and tries to melt a hole/burns the battery to 0. So I think at least SOME of it might be hardware related.

As I understood it, it's an ACPI configuration, more or less 'forced' by Microsoft, to ensure this cool new S0 is the default. See [0] [1] and [2]. The fix/work-around is to tell the kernel to not do that, and just use traditional S3 sleep. Adding `mem_sleep_default=deep` to your kernel cmdline should fix it. Been doing this on my XPS13 for 3 years now and it's fine. [0] https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19…

Dell has "fixed" that problem by disabling S3 sleep on certain laptops. Not even kidding, the ACPI tables don't have S3 sleep as an option and it's not even some matter of OSI string trickery either.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by neuromancer2600 »

barrkel wrote: post #227
neuromancer2600 wrote: post #133

I had a Dell XPS 9310 until about 3 months ago when suddenly one of the fans died on me for no obvious reasons while I was in quarantine. Given that the fans are now soldered onto the mainboard, Dell was offering me to repair this for almost the same amount I paid for the whole laptop 2 years earlier. Needless to say that this was the last time I will buy a Dell. Since I am located in Asia, I also went to one of the…

You have to weight brands with the most issues vs market dominance vs likelihood of being seen by someone who observes the problem. If most laptops are Dells, then most problems will be on Dell machines, even if a niche brand is lower reliability. If most Apple laptops are taken to an Apple store, then a PC laptop repair shop won't see problems with Apple laptops. And so on.

That is correct. However, according to a quick Google search, each hp, Lenovo, and Dell produce roughly the same number of laptops each year. Therefore the technician's statement about hp's being of better quality should weigh heavier.
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