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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by lamontcg »

disneygibson wrote: post #353

Inevitable outcome in a society that is terrified of everything. And to think that our ancestors sailed across the oceans into the unknown and faced diseases, war, famine, and worse. Now we are instituting a surveillance state in the name of a fairly bad flu virus with a 99% survival rate. We really need a new frontier. Hopefully space travel happens before human beings become completely domesticated.

The ICUs are filling up and people who just need a kidney transplant are dying. That is with just a small fraction of the population actually getting infected. The hospitalizations are also resource intensive and require an ICU bed for 2 or 3 weeks. This isn't just a "bad flu virus". Once around ~10,000 people get infected in a week that's enough to knock over a metropolitan hospital system sending hundreds of people into the hospital.

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Post by azth »

gilbetron wrote: post #588
azth wrote: post #542

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What about things that do have a lot of cost? Drinking (10,000 lives per year lost in the USA due to drunk driving), not to mention destroyed families and caused homicides, smoking (countless lives lost), sexual immorality (countless abortions and mental and psychological effects of casual sexual relationships).

Drunk driving is illegal, as is smoking in public places (with very broad definitions of "public") - I have no idea what you're on about "sexual immorality", although I would point to the horrific law passed in Texas, as well as many of the terrible laws governing our sex lives. Most of those laws aren't because they hurt people, but because people want to tell other people what to do.

Drunk driving is illegal, drinking isn't. Just because drunk driving is illegal doesn't mean people care or are trustworthy to abide. The stats speak for themselves. And as I mentioned, it's not just drunk driving, but homicides and many other problems.

Secondly, see the new research coming out about second or even third hand smoking. It affects everyone.

Sexual immorality does hurt people and society at large. Everyone is paying the cost.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

Hunter235711 wrote: post #687

I am not anti-vax, but I STRONGLY oppose this vaccine mandate. Looking at the CDC data here: ( https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex... ) there have been 3,043 covid deaths in the 18-29 year range out of 103,738 total deaths in that same age range. I'm 29 and in good health. I know I'm much more likely to die from activities I enjoy like rock climbing, farm work, skydiving, driving my car, but…

  >if I get covid and quarantine
how will you know you've been EXPOSED?

will you indeed quarantine yourself per CDC recommendations if you find out you have been exposed?

how will you know you've been INFECTED?

will you indeed ISOLATE yourself per CDC recommendations if you find out you have been infected?

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #413
da_big_ghey wrote: post #322

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Then why did we fight a war on keeping them together. Maybe both would be happier if south and middle states split from coast ones.

If you mean the civil war, that wasn't to "keep them together": it was one side forcing the other to get back in line and give up its slaves. It was not a conflict where two somewhat equal partners work out their difficulties, it was a war where the central government fought down an insurrection and during witch the south got utterly devastated and was under occupation for 10 years.

I’m sure that’s the view from white southerners. The view from black southerners would be a little different.

It’s like the folks who are all nostalgic about the 50s. Sure, they were great if you were a straight cis white man. Not so much if you were gay or trans or black.

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Post by probably_wrong »

DiffEq wrote: post #415
probably_wrong wrote: post #311

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Right now? In the USA? "Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Florida and Arkansas have less than 10% left of their ICU bed capacity, according to data from the Department of Health and Human Services. (...) Idaho had just four ICU beds available out of the 400 beds total in the state, Gov. Brad Little said." https://www.wktv.com/content/news/These-5-states-have-less-t...

I asked for FULL hospitals. There are none apparently. 97% is concerning but not full and that is what these beds are for...looks like everything is fine. I also think it is interesting how I get voted down for just asking the question.

Per my comment, there are exactly 4 free ICU beds in all of Idaho. If there are more than 4 hospitals in Idaho (Wikipedia lists ~30), all hospitals after the 5th are therefore full.

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Post by ryandrake »

ctrlp wrote: post #460
josho wrote: post #280

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I haven't spoken to an anti-vaxxer yet. Those that I've seen in the media have been completely irrational (5g/bill gates theories). So, I'm looking forward to learning from a rational person what their motivations are. What are your reasons to refuse a vaccine? Weren't you vaccinated as a child for polio & chicken pox? Why is this vaccine a hill to die on? Thanks.

Not every anti-mandate person is a anti-vax. Government mandates are a political issue. Depending on the country and its laws, some believe mandates are illegal and constitute government tyranny. They may value rule by law or autonomy over their bodies. They may choose to receive vaccine but don't want to be 'forced to choose'. Not every anti-covid-vax person is anti-other-vax. The mRNA vaccine is novel. Many believe…

> Not every anti-mandate person is a anti-vax. Government mandates are a political issue. Depending on the country and its laws, some believe mandates are illegal and constitute government tyranny. They may value rule by law or autonomy over their bodies. They may choose to receive vaccine but don't want to be 'forced to choose'.

This makes as much sense as a family member I have who wont wear his seat belt. He admits that seat belts save lives and greatly improve safety, but won't wear his out of spite because "the government shouldn't force me to do it". Imagine deliberately choosing to amplify the danger of driving, every time you drive, purely on principle to "Oppose Tyranny."

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Post by guscost »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #336
ctrlp wrote: post #321

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Arguments for thinking of the burnt-out healthcare professionals are tired and miss the forest for the trees. There are many reasons for healthcare professionals feeling burnt-out that pre-date Covid and were exacerbated by it. Where were your tears for them then? You clearly don't value your liberty. (Maybe you don't even understand what it means, given your mockery.) Liberty refers to your right to govern yourself.…

The liberty you think ever existed never did, look around. All the "freedom" advocates against the vax just pick and choose how they define freedom. There's no place in the world you can live as a sovereign citizen, so I'd suggest you get on board or buy a boat and live out on open water because that's the only place you'll be "free".

Nah, I think I’ll just live in a society that has the same values as me. It might have to be a new one.

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #732
steverb wrote: post #305

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Not sure why you think that's a problem. The vaccines offer better protection against variants than having had COVID and recovering. Edit: Apparently this is new information to people: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...

Your link doesn't address better protection against variants specifically, just better protection against reinfection in general. The linked study specifically states that it does not include delta.

that's okay, a nonzero benefit is still a benefit

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Post by mythrwy »

kbos87 wrote: post #754

The number of comments here that fall back on some sort of a slippery slope argument, based in a worry about government overreach, is really disheartening. If COVID has proven anything in the US, it's how little control the federal government actually has. They've barely been able to enforce mask mandates. The slippery slope argument doesn't hold water here. I think we can look at the facts - 700,000 people dead, hos…

That mandate doesn't make sense though.

"Think of the Children!" type arguments aside.

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

leesalminen wrote: post #399
steverb wrote: post #338

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To trot out an old saw: "Your rights end and the tip of my nose." You do not have a Deity-given right to infect other people with disease.

Doesn't the vaccine protect you from disease?

protect? yes.

completely, 100% immunize? no.

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