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Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by dvt »

deeviant wrote: post #703
dvt wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is going to be corporate suicide on a greater scale than Tumblr's policy. Strong disagree. They lined their coffers and now it's time to pivot. In fact, it's probably the perfect time to pivot. They are still relatively unknown, and their reputation hasn't been tarnished. Patreon is ripe for disruption. Pornography is not how you become a billion-dollar unicorn, which is I'm sure what they're eyeing (especiall…

You absolutely must be living in an alternate reality than I am. 1. Onlyfans is extremely well know to the point of being a meme, you couldn't be more wrong. Like what rock would you have to be hiding under to not have heard of OF? 2. Exactly what about Patreon seems ripe for disruption? Looking for something specific here, hopefully something that wouldn't apply to most every other company. 3. ??? But only-fans lite…

> Onlyfans is extremely well know to the point of being a meme, you couldn't be more wrong. Like what rock would you have to be hiding under to not have heard of OF?

I disagree. OnlyFans is well-known in streamer/gamer/internet/Tumblr/Twitter culture. Ask anyone on the street and most people won't know about the porn connection. They probably won't even know what OF is.

> 3. ??? But only-fans literally became a billion-dollar unicorn on the back of porn. Like, I'm speechless, really, I am.

They haven't, though. They "only" made ~400 million last year and can't find investors (did you even read through the Axios report?). Porn is bad for business. I'm surprised people are surprised. Patreon literally did this exact same thing[1] (ditched explicit content after initially allowing it).

[1] https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbqwwj/patreon-suspension-of...

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

mcdevilkiller wrote: post #666
actually_a_dog wrote: post #519

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> If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever can operate beyond those constraints, which is kind of a sad state of affairs for free speech, separation of church and state, and policing in general. Welcome to the "free(…

Yeah. But, supposedly, in a free market, if there's demand for it (a payment processor that accepts porn), there would be supply. Someone would come up with a company devoted to just that.

Where this always falls short is when there is not enough demand make it possible to run a business on said demand.

This is usually startups biggest problem - there exists demand, but not enough demand in the right mix to be able to make a living/business/millions/etc... filling it.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by digitcatphd »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #549
digitcatphd wrote: post #167

"The company will prohibit users from posting any sexually explicit conduct, starting in October. Creators will still be allowed to post nude photos and videos" Makes sense

> Makes sense Does it? Nude is ok, but sexual isn’t? What if I find nude sexual, what if I find sexual separate from nudity? Why business is it of payment processors to say what is OK when it comes to sexuality?

lol, mate you seem personally offended by this satirical statement pointing out the conflicting logic

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by jachee »

sonicggg wrote: post #441
skrtskrt wrote: post #94

This is going to be corporate suicide on a greater scale than Tumblr's policy. I say greater because OnlyFans is/was still on a massive upswing whereas Tumblr was 10 years past its peak already when the nails went in the coffin. Edit: I understand this is supposedly not their choice.

Sounds like a great opportunity for another player to step in and fill the vacuum, given that OnlyFans already proved there's a market for this. Just like Vine vs TikTok. Also, weird that they would give up an entire market because of prude payment providers. Are these providers from Afghanistan? They should not have that much power over their customers. Maybe a crypto spin off could work.

Anyone who does will face the same pressure from payout vendors.

No one corporate wants to be actively involved in paying sex workers.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by dmix »

actually_a_dog wrote: post #519
tmp_anon_22 wrote: post #330

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> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

> If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever can operate beyond those constraints, which is kind of a sad state of affairs for free speech, separation of church and state, and policing in general. Welcome to the "free(…

This pedantic argument is so tired. This is not about arguing over the details of some economic model. The problem is culturally pushing some neopuritan nonsense, always in a highly selective way as you can always find a ton of contradictions. Not to mention when you consider the practicality of outright banning entire market categories in order to combat tiny edge cases.

These conversations should be about the end results and not just blindly accepting a culture of overreacting to every sort of risk.

Forcing companies to middleman sales at gun point isn't any better of a solution either, nor is it even probable, which is really the only other economic model (besides some true-scotsman bitcoin solution).

Trying to work with the system is better than abandoning it for some pipedream or throwing up our hands like there's no solution.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by emodendroket »

elliekelly wrote: post #212
emodendroket wrote: post #161

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Probably the reputational risk to them from being associated with porn is not worth whatever OnlyFans brings in.

Payment processors and financial institutions like to use the (IMO mostly political) cover of "AML regulations" to decline service to sex workers and sex worker-adjacent businesses. Prior to the internet and OnlyFans there was at least a tenuous connection: sex work was a cash business and all cash businesses are at "higher" risk for money laundering. Pizza shops, nail salons, car washes, etc. Of course the pizza sho…

I read some more about this and it seems like verification of performers is precisely the bone of contention. https://thehill.com/policy/technology/548279-mastercard-upda...

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by autoexec »

jachee wrote: post #765
sonicggg wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a great opportunity for another player to step in and fill the vacuum, given that OnlyFans already proved there's a market for this. Just like Vine vs TikTok. Also, weird that they would give up an entire market because of prude payment providers. Are these providers from Afghanistan? They should not have that much power over their customers. Maybe a crypto spin off could work.

Anyone who does will face the same pressure from payout vendors. No one corporate wants to be actively involved in paying sex workers.

Is this still true? Porn sites seem to have no problems selling ad space, although it may not be to major brands. I suspect that eventually even that will change. How many people are really so put off by human sexuality that they'll refuse to buy a product that advertises on a porn site? How many of those people are going to porn sites to see those ads in the first place?

I think that slowly corporations are going to dismiss the loud puritanical few that complain about it and that those who do will find advertising their brands along side porn is extremely profitable. Corporations have been using sex to sell their products for ages specifically because it's so effective. It's just a matter of time until they start being honest about it.

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