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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by agbell »

Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

I love my job, and I love working from home. I have been doing it for years.

Working on a fully remote team is not the same as working on fully co-located team. Some will say it's worse but for me its better. One thing is for certain - it is different. Some things are easier and some things are harder. It's just a different point in the design space of possible ways to work.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by konschubert »

rubicon33 wrote: post #251
Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

This is what most of the newcomers to WFH don't understand: There is a big different between WFH for a few months where EVERYONE else is also WFH ... and WFH for YEARS where some, or most, of the others are in office. The latter is years upon years of feeling disconnected, left out, and sidelined. The vast majority of companies even if they allow remote are not remote first. Remote first involves actual structural an…

The mental health part really depends on whether you're living alone or with others.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by dahfizz »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #708
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #646

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One of many, though; I'm really getting my hackles up with corporations making end users responsible for things like plastic, industrial farming and co2 emissions. Yes they're a part of the equation, but there's much bigger impact to be made if they work from the top down. Mind you, there are things like that going on (at least in my neck of the woods), with things like subsidies to consumers for going to battery pow…

> I'm really getting my hackles up with corporations making end users responsible for things like plastic, industrial farming and co2 emissions. Me too, but GP has an argument along these lines here. Commute is a big, and often deciding factor, in private car ownership. Get rid of it, and most drivers will lose the major reason for owning a car. Expand the delivery systems for day-to-day stuff like groceries, and ano…

> Get rid of it, and most drivers will lose the major reason for owning a car.

I think this is backwards.

We saw during the pandemic a mass exodus from cities. Once people could work from home, they decided they didn't want to live in a city anymore.

Once you remove the burden of commuting, suburban / rural life becomes _even more_ attractive, increasing the need for cars.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by jiofih »

enriquto wrote: post #751
teachingassist wrote: post #726

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If you were given back those 40 mins, you could spend them on a 40 min bike ride in the woods. If that's the absolute best way you can imagine spending those 40 mins, you don't lose the option to do that.

I also spend about 30 min per day cooking for the kids. Would you say that I could "get back" these 30 minutes by hiring a personal cook? Well, maybe, but I really don't live like that. It's a mildly pleasurable activity, even if I'm able to imagine "better ways to spend my time".

Reread that comment. He’s saying you would have the option of doing that 40m bike ride, which you don’t have today. For the majority of people that commute will not be a nice ride through the woods, and they can’t opt out.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by hellweaver666 »

fatbird wrote: post #567
tootie wrote: post #437

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I will always prefer WFH for a critically important reason no one else seems willing to mention. I get to use my own bathroom. Sitting in a stall next to someone noisy is my daily hell. The worst is if the seat is still warm. I think may have actually avoided using a public restroom for 15 straight months.

I see you.

You need to stop looking over the top of the stalls ;)

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by danuker »

hawthornio wrote: post #612
tdeck wrote: post #504

I never thought I'd handle WFH well. When job-hunting, I'd always ignore fully remote jobs. It sounded totally depressing and demotivating to sit at home and interact with my coworkers virtually. I also always valued the office perks. During the first few months, it felt like WFH stripped out all the non-work aspects of my job. At Google those perks were substantial, and it put the work itself in full focus. But you…

how do you measure your minutes of focused work?

I use LibreOffice Calc. Ctrl+Shift+; (or Ctrl+:) inputs a time (or Ctrl+; just a date).

On each row, I have a start and end time of a work "session" or "pomodoro". Do a subtraction: end - start = duration (in days). I aim each day to be 4 hours, but sometimes I over or under-work, so I also have a running sum across days, subtracting 4h for each workday (so I should keep it near zero).

I also use ActivityWatch - https://activitywatch.net/ -, but more as a backup in case I forget to record. I don't trust it too much, because, say, time in the Slack window could be work or just chat.

I am brutally honest and only bill what I consider "real" work. That is out of appreciation for my boss, who is trusting as well as receptive, and contributes back to open-source projects we use.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by danuker »

tdeck wrote: post #629
hawthornio wrote: post #612

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how do you measure your minutes of focused work?

I use a set of shell scripts that record when I start and stop work in a text file. The hard part is developing the habit. When I get up, switch to something non-work, or even start to daydream I stop it. Sometimes I still forget to start or stop it, so then I have to try to figure out when I started or stopped working from browser, command line, or undo history. Lately I have been using the pomodoro method on top of…

For when you forget to record, check out ActivityWatch: https://activitywatch.net/

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by hu3 »

siliconunit wrote: post #672

or welcome to the UK/London trap... 650 usd / month for daily commute to work (45-60min train+tube) because you are not 20 and want to have more than a shoebox shared shit within the city limits or have family. Add to that ridiculous food prices and fully criminal housing market both rent or buy(keep dreaming)..WFH is a super solid relief...yes I miss hallway chat the most.. and quicker to help people but still no co…

I used to work at Millbank Tower when in London. Which is next UK's Intelligence HQ (MI5) and close to a ton of cool places like Buckingham Palace and London Eye.

At first I was rejoiced for working near all these interesting places. But London quickly reminded me of the cost. $600/mo commute plus almost two hours a day on train/metro (which is even more expensive if you value your time).

No thank you.

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