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Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Post by gib444 »

panick21_ wrote: post #678
iioiio wrote: post #543

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Gromer gangs were white just as often, but instead of addressing the problem evaluating it correctly and responding right wing extremists instead focused only the immigrants didnt give a single shit about the actual abuse and made it all about leaving the EU and in general promoting ethnic violence against all braun people. Literal riots. And of course never talk about immigrant woman that get abused who gives a fuck…

" Child sexual exploitation is horrendous whoever commits it, but there have been enough convictions across the country of groups of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds to have warranted closer examination

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Ethnicity is shied away from despite being a question for many years and is still not recorded for two-thirds of perpetrators.

Rates of collection and accuracy of ethnicity data were much higher in police data from Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire. Their data shows there has been a disproportionality of group-based child sexual exploitation offending by men of Asian ethnicity in these police force areas."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-audit-on...

> Gromer gangs were white just as often

Got a source for that?

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Post by nailer »

bapo wrote: post #146

Swiss here and able to vote. In fact, just posted my voting letter today, before taking a 1h bike ride through the biggest city in Switzerland, having lots of space and freedom biking around in our beautiful city. When taking the train to my parents house, I pass several farms and landly smaller cities. Alot of free space in between those, train mostly has spare seats, depending on rush hour timings. There usually ar…

Australian/Brit here. A Sudanese man tried to decapitate someone in the middle of the street in Belfast this morning. I suspect if the UK had better immigration controls this wouldn't have happened.

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Post by mamonster »

FabCH wrote: post #126

One interesting point for me is that, IMHO, the propaganda on the „no“ side wad _abysmal_. The counter arguments are awful and they are presented awfully and not even in such high quantity as you would expect. I think it has a good chance of passing just because of that. And then political shitf***y will begin with „we don’t know how to turn this into law!“, which is not good for the basis of democracy…

Not to be underestimated is the fact that the healthcare argument (I got like 5 flyers of a boomer in a wheelchair with a sad looking face with some nurse standing behind) is coming on the backs of boomers voting themselves the 13th AVS, which already pissed a lot of people off and is either going to lead to a pretty significant VAT rise or more direct taxes.

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Post by nailer »

elektrontamer wrote: post #640

I always dreamt of migrating to some european country but seeing their suicidal policy of importing the worst from all over the world I've completely abandoned the idea. If this passes maybe there is some hope after all. Note: In case anyone wants to exclaim xenophobia or some other nonsense I'm also part of the "xenos". So no it's not xenophobic to want your country to be safe and prosperous.

David Lammy was asked about immigration in regards to the Sikh man that stabbed Henry Nowak to death, whose brother and mother then helped cover up the crime to police.

Lammy said "he's wrong this man is British" as if there was no such thing as an ethnic Brit.

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Post by nailer »

garte wrote: post #652
TrappedInCorner wrote: post #642

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I migrated with my parents at 3 years old to a neighboring EU country from another EU country. I agree with you strongly. As a migrant myself, I've become very critical about immigration in recent years. I've come to realize just how naive we europeans had become. Also just how penalized the idea of 'I want my country to maintain its culture, and I want my countrymen to look like me, smell like me and behave like me'…

This does not make sense. How can you differentiate between "good" migrants (apparently you yourself) and "bad" ones? Shouldn't you remove yourself because you're a migrant to increase the quality of life for the "natives"?

> This does not make sense. How can you differentiate between "good" migrants (apparently you yourself) and "bad" ones?

Crime statistics. https://www.ft.dk/samling/20171/almdel/uui/spm/127/svar/1449...

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Post by wat10000 »

deaux wrote: post #699
wat10000 wrote: post #423

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I’ve had that experience as well, except instead of Afghanistan it was America, and instead of Sharia law it was Biblical law. I am far more afraid of certain of my native-born countrymen than I am of people who come here.

That makes perfect sense. But clearly Switzerland, unlike America, barely has any proponents of Sharia-like Biblical law. This is a large cause of misunderstanding in threads like these by fellow Americans. Because the US has very similar people at home, it just looks like "potentially a little more of something there's already lots of, they'll never outgrow that existing group anyway, what are they even complaining…

My point is not actually "potentially a little more of something there's already lots of," but rather that the shittiness of people is not well correlated with what country they're from. I'm sure Switzerland has plenty of shitty locals, even if it might manifest in a different way.

The reason I'm not afraid of Afghan refugees moving in isn't because I think their love of Sharia law will be drowned out by my other neighbors' love of Christian Sharia, but because I don't think it's particularly likely they're going to love government-imposed Sharia law in the first place.

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Post by Chu4eeno »

shimman wrote: post #311
bojan wrote: post #257

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Does EU have the USA problem where most farmers are basically sharecroppers where they are mandated where they can buy their seed, buy their fertilizers, where they buy their chicks/sows/calfs, what equipment they can buy, how they can repair their equipment, where they can sell their crops, and at what specific prices all from a single undemocratic corporation? In the USA it's basically corporations that run everyth…

Considering EU farmers tend to riot with their tractors in the capitals of countries which try to control them I doubt it.

AFAIK Norwegian farmers fear of things like this was what kept Norway out of EU even with two referendums (or at least one of the distinguishing factors).

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Post by wat10000 »

wat10000 wrote: post #481
WarmWash wrote: post #308

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Because of Japan. A rigid culture and tradition can obviously carry a lot of weight, but usually comes with intense racism as well.

Kind of a funny example, since Japan got crushed by the poster boy country for diversity, and this nonsense about homogeneity played no small part in their arrogance in thinking they could win.

I wonder why this got downvoted. Are we not supposed to mention the war? Does it make people uncomfortable to be reminded of how their rhetoric mirrors that of fascists?

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Post by mothballed »

api wrote: post #706
wqaatwt wrote: post #613

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There is a distinction between racism and xenophobia, no need to assign the same label to everything. i.e. the thing about Italians was cultural an educated immigrant from Northern Italy would have been considered as white as a French (not that there a significant number of those in the US) at least.

Technically yes, but usually I think there’s a racist undercurrent to xenophobia. The US stopped accepting refugees recently… except white South Africans. I’d say these people share no more culture or values with the average American than a Central American refugee. Maybe less. I’d much rather party with a bunch of Central or South Americans than a bunch of Apartheid lost causers. If ethnically white people were pour…

There's certainly a racist undercurrent to generalizing Afrikaner emigrants as "Apartheid lost causers."

Certainly there is no reason other than Apartheid concerns to leave South Africa for the USA... none at all...

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Post by joxdosba »

inglor_cz wrote: post #745
joxdosba wrote: post #673

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What threats? I was simply pointing out the undeniable fact that Switzerland is utterly dependent on the benevolence of the EU. The EU has unlimited ability to punish Switzerland with extreme precision and at a low cost, Switzerland has no meaningful ability to go tit-for-tat even at a very low level. > At any rate, there's nothing about being an island that automatically stops a crazy genocidal EU trying to starve a…

The EU would have to rely on German, Austrian, French and Italian cops/soldiers to actually enforce any sort of physical blockade against Switzerland. I am not certain if all the respective governments would simply obey such an instruction if they didn't have any beef with the Swiss themselves. Which now means that the EU has to block not just Switzerland, but (say) Austria, which means compliance from four other cou…

Trade policies are very much set at an EU level.

> The EU would have to rely on German, Austrian, French and Italian cops/soldiers to actually enforce any sort of physical blockade against Switzerland

Without these treaties, there absolutely will be permanently manned border checkpoints.

None of these countries love Switzerland enough to be willing to end the EU over it.

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