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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by robocat »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #578
nerdix wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a Thinkpad P16s with 64 GB of LPDDR5x ram in October 2024 for just over $1100. 64 GB of LPDDR5x will add $849 to the price of a Framework 13 Pro. Thats insane. I would love a future Framework 16 Pro but that will probably run $3500 for the configuration that I would want if memory and storage prices don't come down.

You need to consider the upgradability aspect too - the next time you want to upgrade, you just need to buy a new mainboard, which would be considerably cheaper than buying a whole new laptop.

A new mainboard that may need new memory. From another comment in thread:

  I have 64GB of DDR4 in my current laptop, and replacing that with the same amount of LPCAMM2 LPDDR5X is probably more expensive than the rest of the laptop itself.
And another:

  I just had my mainboard die, and I was advised there currently isn't another mainboard in stock that works with my old DDR4 RAM

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by dangus »

stavros wrote: post #638
dangus wrote: post #570

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Absolutely don’t buy the AMD 300 series chips in the current Framework 13” lineup. Panther Lake is what you want. It’s a large leapfrog over what AMD has been offering for this product category. You’ll get far better battery life for all use cases as well as performance that matches or beats AMD. Also, if you select the X7 you’re getting the best integrated graphics on the market that isn’t made by Apple - basically…

This is a great answer, very helpful. Thanks!

As a slight piece of pedantry to myself, when I said “best integrated graphics on the market besides Apple” I excluded AMD strix halo since you basically can’t get it in a laptop anyway, and the one or two models you can get it in don’t make a whole lot of purchase sense.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by jim33442 »

cassianoleal wrote: post #698
pshirshov wrote: post #418

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1) Reliable sandbox 2) Nixos makes it easy for agents to research, debug and patch every aspect of the system, even applying kernel patches for the sake of debugging 3) CLI-oriented toolchains. Claude spent around 17 hours trying to set up xcode publishing and in the end just told me to press the button once Organizer pops up. 4) Containers

Thanks! 1. I won't be using NixOS so that point is moot to me . 2. Reliable sandbox I can get using Apple Containers. I won't argue that the Linux experience is better, because it is. Alone it wouldn't be a reason for me to switch but it does count towards it. 3. Fair enough, I haven't had that issue on the Mac but that may just be because I'm working with other kinds of tech or I have the things I need installed in…

I don't get #3 because all those CLIs work on Mac too. You're only forced to use Xcode if you're doing certain Apple platform dev, which does suck, but is there a better Linux-only alternative for that?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by jim33442 »

pshirshov wrote: post #708
cassianoleal wrote: post #698

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Thanks! 1. I won't be using NixOS so that point is moot to me . 2. Reliable sandbox I can get using Apple Containers. I won't argue that the Linux experience is better, because it is. Alone it wouldn't be a reason for me to switch but it does count towards it. 3. Fair enough, I haven't had that issue on the Mac but that may just be because I'm working with other kinds of tech or I have the things I need installed in…

> apple containers Virtual machines. I can't ask claude to figure out an issue on the hw host w/o falling back to per-action confirmations or giving it full unconditional access. When everything runs on one host I can organize controllable sandbox escapes for Claude and let it work in huge batches with minimal attention. > won't be using Well, that's your choice to avoid efficient agentic workflows > misunderstood Th…

Why do you need agents patching your kernel to enable efficient agentic workflows? Are those agents working on building a kernel? If they're just building some web backend or whatever, I don't see why any of this is needed.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by snvzz »

voxadam wrote: post #236
iririririr wrote: post #101

"pro" in the name, without ECC ram is a travesty

Does the LPCAMM2 standard allow for a full-blown ECC interface, as opposed being limited to the on-die ECC that's part of the DDR5 spec?

Apparently the interface itself does support ECC, but there is no end user product implementing it.

As I require ECC, it seems I won't be upgrading anytime soon.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by snvzz »

canpan wrote: post #349
nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

I would love to buy one and know a bunch of others. Wonder if shipping to Japan is in the works?

Selected Japan on top right of the main page, it told me no-go.

Been waiting for years. I wonder what the hold up is.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by drywipes »

tuckerman wrote: post #38
chis wrote: post #28

It's so cool that every individual upgrade they did here can be hot-swapped back to the older designs. That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. To be specific: There's a new lower chassis, and a new chassis top with haptic touchpad. On my older framework I could buy just the chassis top to get the new touchpad. Crazy that they could make that work. I also just really admire the CEO for doing these semi-s…

My heart sank when they said 13 pro and then to see that so much is backwards compatible was amazing. It's quite refreshing to see a company live up to their mission so well.

I was screaming at my screen when I heard 13 Pro but I am now ever so happy when they mentioned being able to just replace, part-by-part, a regular Framework 13 into a Framework 13 Pro.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by MarsIronPI »

manuhabitela wrote: post #642
asimovDev wrote: post #601

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I wonder if Lenovo has telemetry of some kind that tells them how many people use the trackpad and how often compared to the trackpad / mouse.

I'd bet a bunch of money that it's barely used anymore. Only benefit of trackpoint nowadays is that you don't move your hand. Otherwise, it's all downsides compared to modern trackpads, especially haptic ones like here. It's less precise, less ergonomic. Nowadays I'd rather move my hand a few centimeters off, than put regular strain on my forearm and struggle being precise with the pointer. And most thinkpad users, e…

I can tell you I use the mouse on my Thinkpad far more than on any other device I've used, all because it's frictionless and doesn't require me to move my hand.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by _-_-__-_-_- »

dangus wrote: post #577
_-_-__-_-_- wrote: post #452

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This is my plan as well, start with the chassis and find a newer mainboard second-hand. I configured a 2TB SSD and 64 GB of LPCAMM2 RAM to see the price for the new 13 pro and it was doubled from about 1500 CAD to over 3200 CAD before tax. Upgrading the mainboard, when I have a perfectly functioning (and fast) 12th gen Intel i5, is out of the question for now.

If you ever decide to buy the whole new system, buy it without memory and storage from Framework and of course DIY instead of assembled. You can get them cheaper elsewhere. They aren’t Apple-level overpriced for memory but they are noticeably overpriced. This advice is a bit more difficult with the current LPCAMM situation. In the US, besides Framework, I was only able to find a 32GB module from Adorama, seemingly a…

That's what I did when purchasing my 12th gen. At current prices, 64GB of LPCAMM2 is over 900$ CAD. I bought my current 64GB LPDDR4 ram for ~160$ CAD. New chassis first and then a new mainboard once prices stabilize.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by konmok »

nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

Why do you keep sponsoring Rails World and giving laptops to David Heinemeier Hansson? After the community reaction last time, don't you understand the message you're sending with this behavior? Are you not concerned about the rise of fascism and white nationalism, trends which gain legitimacy in part through corporate endorsement of people like DHH?
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