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Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Post by pezezin »

NewEntryHN wrote: post #270
pezezin wrote: post #90

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English is my second language and I always though my lack of understanding was a skill issue. Then I noticed that native speakers also complain. Then I started to watch YouTube channels, live TV and old movies, and I found out I could understand almost everything! (depending on the dialect) When even native speakers can't properly enjoy modern movies and TV shows, you know that something is very wrong...

To be fair, the diction in modern movies is different than the diction in all other examples you mentioned. YouTube and live TV is very articulate, and old movies are theater-like in style.

That is exactly my point, the diction in modern movies sucks.

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Post by throw-12-16 »

maccard wrote: post #410
throw-12-16 wrote: post #376

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The content is mixed with decent audio systems in mind. When you listen to that content on a good system you don't have these issues. Nolan films are a perfect example.

Imagine if we said “hey your audio is only usable on iPhone if you use this specific adapter and high end earphones”. Somehow the music industry has managed to figure out a way to get stuff to sound good on high end hardware, and passable on even the shittiest speakers and earbuds imaginable, but asking Hollywood blockbusters to make the dialog literally audible on the most popular device format is too much?

Why do you think high end audio equipment exists?

You can still watch these movies, its just sounds bad on low quality sound systems.

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Post by throw-12-16 »

epistasis wrote: post #749
throw-12-16 wrote: post #746

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Ok sure. However getting a better sound system is a current solution to the problem that doesn't require some broad systemic change that may or may not ever happen.

A far better solution that I take: not consume the media at all. Not only is there an abundance of media these days, but there are many many other better ways to spend time, such as writing comments on Hacker News that very few people will ever see. I have spent about half an hour investigating sound bars as a result of these discussions, and that's a loss of life that I can never get back, and I regret spending that…

It feels like you are trying to turn this into an ideological debate when all I am saying is "buy some better speakers if you care about audio".

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Post by empiricus »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #712
empiricus wrote: post #651

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Disclaimer: i prefer movies to look like reality. but apparently this is far away from "artistic purpose".

What does “like reality” mean?

It means that the colors should be correct. The sky on tv should look like the sky. The grass on tv should look like grass. If I look at the screen and then I look outside, it should look the same. HDR screens and sensors are getting pretty close, but almost everyone is using color grading so the advantage is gone. And after colors, don't get me started about motion and the 24fps abomination.

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Post by throw-12-16 »

Yizahi wrote: post #388
throw-12-16 wrote: post #351

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I'm not a speaker sales person, believe whatever you want.

Do you realize that phones, tablets, laptops, most PCs don't have an option of "just add speakers"? You are technically correct, yes full Dolby Duper Atmo 9.2.4.8.100500 system is better. But people without them are not using their setups incorrectly, they have valid setups they have valid use case and they don't get basic level of quality which IS possible and WAS possible just a few years ago with proper channel mi…

Dude I don't care.

You are trying to turn this into some ideological debate about the equity of audio mixes.

If you care this much about audio just buy some better speakers ffs.

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Post by 11mariom »

pezezin wrote: post #90
pupppet wrote: post #66

The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

English is my second language and I always though my lack of understanding was a skill issue. Then I noticed that native speakers also complain. Then I started to watch YouTube channels, live TV and old movies, and I found out I could understand almost everything! (depending on the dialect) When even native speakers can't properly enjoy modern movies and TV shows, you know that something is very wrong...

I have other way around ;)

In Poland our original productions have so badly mixed sound that in almost none series in my native language I cannot understand without captions.

But the upside of it is - with English being my second language - I understand most of movies/series I watched.

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Post by vladvasiliu »

Melatonic wrote: post #590
vladvasiliu wrote: post #467

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I don't particularly like that, but even so, it doesn't preclude having a "standard" or "no enhancement" option, even if it's not the default. On my TCL TV I can turn off "smart" image and a bunch of other crap, and there's a "standard" image mode. But I'm not convinced that's actually "as close to reference as the panel can get". One reason is that there is noticeable input lag when connected to a pc, whereas if I s…

Sometimes PC mode reduces image quality (like lowering bit depth) at the expense of lower input lag

Is there a way to verify this other than breaking out a colorimeter (which I happen to have)?

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Post by mnky9800n »

npodbielski wrote: post #584
tsss wrote: post #524

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All of what you said is accurate, but the problems are unfixable at this point, for two reasons: 1. Millie Bobbie Brown, the actor of Eleven, is unfathomably stupid (watch any out-of-character interview with her) and the role has simply outgrown her acting abilities. They can't make Eleven do anything interesting because Millie can't act it. 2. Writers have introduced so many supporting characters and separate story…

Then just kill her and bring another, more interesting character, that is played by better actor. I do not know... Make Vecna a human again and introduce even more dangerous evil. He could join the party in the fight. Could be fun if executed correctly.

I think it would be more interesting if vecna believed everything he says. Instead it seems like he just enjoys lying to children.

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Post by globular-toast »

tuetuopay wrote: post #350
throw-12-16 wrote: post #100

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Sounds like you are just using internal speakers. They are notorious for bad vocal range audio. I have a decent surround sound and had no issues at all.

As mentioned elsewhere: no problem with youtube videos (even with hard accents like scottish) but a world of pain for tv shows and movies. On the same TV. Oh, and the youtube videos don't have the infamous mixing issues of "voices too low, explosions too high". It's the source material, not the device. Stop accusing TV speakers, they are ok-tier.

So what about older films? Can you understand Die Hard on the same set? What about Lord of the Rings? That would help to determine whether it's newer films or your newer speakers that are the problem since millions of people have enjoyed those films with no problems.

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Post by maccard »

throw-12-16 wrote: post #745
badc0ffee wrote: post #713

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Americans don't call a vacuum cleaner a Hoover, do they? The British definitely do.

I don't think so, but I typically hear them use brands like Kleenex, Band-aid, etc instead of tissue, bandage.

Im a bit confused why you’re surprised to see American terminology on a site with a predominantly American user base, or why it’s worth commenting on.

That said, I’m Irish and live in the UK. You’ve never heard people say “I’ll hoover that”, or “you can google that”? Kleenex and band aid are definitely American ones but given the audience I thought it was apt

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