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Flu has disappeared worldwide during the Covid pandemic

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Re: Flu has disappeared worldwide during the Covid pandemic

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A bias towards testing for Covid wouldn't explain fewer cases of the flu unless those cases of the flu were coming back as Covid falsely instead of so further diagnosis was stopped. If you have a bad enough flue to seek treatment, then once you get that Covid test and it says "negative", you would move on to the next step for treatment. (Consistent with past years - nobody was getting flu tested just cause they had a…

> Seems like the simplest answer is just "actions that have reduced the spread of one disease have also reduced the spread of another, that's historically less widespread already." This is not the simplest answer, and the evidence that the measures have really slowed spread is extremely low except in places like New Zealand and Australia which are small islands in Oceania. --- > A bias towards testing for Covid would…

> This is not the simplest answer, and the evidence that the measures have really slowed spread is extremely low except in places like New Zealand and Australia which are small islands in Oceania.

Have you ever heard of this small Asian country called CHINA?

Re: Flu has disappeared worldwide during the Covid pandemic

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In contrast because everybody's hold up and probably not in the best physical condition some of my friends who did get real flu we're amazed that it's strength had them laying on their asses not being able to do anything and they lost weight almost like covid but a lot worse

Re: Flu has disappeared worldwide during the Covid pandemic

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Where's all the people that were saying Covid is a completely separate thing from the flu?...and every "Covid Death" was a separate death on top of the normal flu death rate? Occam's Razor: Covid isn't a "pandemic", it's a strong flu

If we're using the WHO definition of a pandemic it's a pandemic. If we're using the dictionary definition of a pandemic "(of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world." it's a pandemic. If we're using the colloquial definition of a pandemic "a disease that spreads around the world killing lots of people" it's a pandemic. If you want you can consider seasonal flu on the list of pandemics, fine, but you're…

It was a pandemic. It's finished in Europe. Numbers have been back to baseline for a while already.

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

Re: Flu has disappeared worldwide during the Covid pandemic

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Where's all the people that were saying Covid is a completely separate thing from the flu?...and every "Covid Death" was a separate death on top of the normal flu death rate? Occam's Razor: Covid isn't a "pandemic", it's a strong flu

Covid is caused by a coronavirus, not an influenza virus. They have similar transmission methods and symptoms, but they are still different things. Like cats and dogs are both of similar size, both carnivores, both kept as pets and both can bite you, but they are still different kinds of animals. And of-fucking-course it's a pandemic. What do you think that word means?

When does a pandemic end in your definition, as the numbers seem back to baseline in Europe at least?

Re: Flu has disappeared worldwide during the Covid pandemic

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Damn I wish I had your immune system. Pre-covid I would get sick every September and probably 2 other times in the year (I would have the flu jab every November too!). I'm a germaphobe so wash my hands before eating, etc. I also try and stay fit, don't smoke and hardly drink alcohol. Unless there's a trick I'm missing here?

How was your upbringing? Did you have to use things like public transport when you were young? I imagine some of the early exposures and immune system build up might have good impact later on in life. I am not germaphobe. When people saw someone with flu, they would stay away, i was indifferent. I'd just tell them i am ok with the risk, and most likely i would not even get sick, or if i did, it'd be a very very mild…

I had to use a train to get to school, so lots of public transport use I guess. I only really became germaphobe in my 20s so it's not like a lead a sheltered childhood.

Re: Flu has disappeared worldwide during the Covid pandemic

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Where's all the people that were saying Covid is a completely separate thing from the flu?...and every "Covid Death" was a separate death on top of the normal flu death rate? Occam's Razor: Covid isn't a "pandemic", it's a strong flu

It's disappointing to see this type of misinformation being spread on HN. All you need to do is look at all-cause mortality in 2020 compared to previous years to easily disprove this: https://i.imgur.com/z9RsQ8e.png

It's not been a problem in a number of European countries.

https://oronu.wordpress.com/2021/01/29/mortality-statistics/

Re: Flu has disappeared worldwide during the Covid pandemic

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Anybody care to weigh in on something I can't figure out. Last October I had some sort of illness, with severe flu like symptoms. However my nasal swab PCR test, taken 48 hours after symptoms, came back negative. I assumed it was flu, but everything I'm read suggests that flu is virtually unheard of this season. For a standard cold, it seemed to severe (102 F fever, body aches and chills). I also had a strong reactio…

False COVID negative sounds plausible. I would have told you to do a serological test, but if you're already vaccinated then it's too late to know now.

Yeah. I was actually waiting on the serological results from my donation at the local blood bank. But as it turned out the results were lost in the Texas blackout. Oh well...

Re: Flu has disappeared worldwide during the Covid pandemic

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The flu vaccine isn't hugely effective at the best of times, and with flu disappearing worldwide and global travel locked down I don't see how they'll even be able to figure out what strains to target for the next one.

Even when not perfectly matched, the flu vaccine does offer some protection.

Both @makomk and @enkid seem to be right [0].

[0] https://www.cochrane.org/CD001269/ARI_vaccines-prevent-influ...

Re: Flu has disappeared worldwide during the Covid pandemic

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I think most people have allergies now don't they? It didn't used to be that way. I get colds with no fever usually.

I think only 1 in 6 or 7 are allergic to anything if you mean seasonal allergies to pollen what most people seem to mean when they say they feel poorly from allergies its only half as prevalent. That is to say most people don't have allergies to confuse with illness and although you might wake up feeling poorly for a number of reasons flu sufferers are liable to suffer from one or more distinguishable symptoms for ex…

When I was a kid with allergies I think it was 15% had allergies. Now 30% of adults and 40% of kids have them. https://www.webmd.com/allergies/allergy-statistics

Sometimes my throat is sore but its just allergy drainage. It doesn't help that the things I'm allergic to line up with flu season.

Re: Flu has disappeared worldwide during the Covid pandemic

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I'm really excited to see this thread on HN because I've got a question about flu vs COVID, and I feel like this is my only (slim) chance to get a non-politicized answer to it. It's a simple question. Flu deaths in the US have dropped precipitously. This past flu season resulted in (very roughly) ~1% of the deaths of previous seasons. It seems obvious that this is primarily due to social distancing efforts as you say…

32.8 million Americans have had confirmed positive tests for COVID-19 as of April 26[1], and the current US population is 328.2 million, so at a minimum 10% of the people in the US have gotten COVID. A maximum of 100% of the people in the US could be infected[2], so that implies an upper bound of 10x worse or 5M deaths averted by all interventions combined. US CDC estimates that about 3 - 3.5x as many people have con…

This is very wrong because as another comment mentioned, we are constantly on the verge of collapse of the health care capacity. I have friends who work in hospitals and the measures a government in Europe seems to take seems to always have as loose as possible measures while keeping the health care system at near maximum strain. Many people recover from covid in the hospital and even bigger problem is that if many more people are sick from covid, the people with other unrelated issues are lacking health care attention. One number I've heard is that we will see an increase in deaths from unrelated health problems which would usually get detected on time but since it's hard to get an appointment
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