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Post by luckylion »

baddox wrote: post #710
luckylion wrote: post #320

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> There are laws in place about how legal gun owners must notify law enforcement during traffic stops. Isn't the issue with laws that those breaking them don't usually care about laws? I'm sure you have laws in place against murder, and murder still happens. "But there's a law against burglary, why would you want additional protection and have a strong door" isn't a good argument. There are good arguments (and the wh…

The comment before mine mentions that people being stopped by police are permitted to have guns. That’s what I was addressing. Sure, there are also some people who violate gun laws. But those people could be a threat to everyone, not just cops, yet surely we wouldn’t justify everyone to preemptively have their guns drawn in all human interactions.

> Sure, there are also some people who violate gun laws. But those people could be a threat to everyone, not just cops, yet surely we wouldn’t justify everyone to preemptively have their guns drawn in all human interactions.

Not necessarily drawn, but isn't that pretty much the reason you have public carry laws in the first place? Surely even the worst of cars does provide sufficient protection against roaming coyotes and mountain lions. The only predator left to fear is another human.

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Post by MrMan »

base698 wrote: post #681
pjc50 wrote: post #440

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> "number of children strangled" At least in that case you wouldn't have people arguing that the kids deserved it. > Horror porn is not an intellectual argument. This isn't porn, this is filming reality as it happens. I know we're all a bit numbed, but this reminds me of the decisions by the Allied forces to document Auschwitz as well as possible when it was overrun, or how the BBC footage of the Ethiopian famine spa…

You can be massively misleading even if you're filming reality as it happens. The first of the recent Atlanta shooting videos to air left out the part where you see the suspect point a taser at the police. Ie the video appears he was shot in the back, but security cam footage shows the full story.

Autopsy says shot in the back twice.

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Post by [deleted] »

black_puppydog wrote: post #559
lvs wrote: post #539

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I don't think society is looking for police to be an average good. That is, we're not looking to optimize on the statistical mean of police interactions. We are concerned particularly about the tails. The outliers are the problem, particularly when they're not as uncommon as we expect them to be. You may call them propaganda, but that's a strange thing to post on an enumerated list of recorded evidence.

I agree, but also, calling them "outliers" is exactly the foregone conclusion that people in the streets are questioning.

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Post by socraticmethod »

koheripbal wrote: post #678
standardUser wrote: post #613

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"Are there instances where police abuse their power? Yes. Absolutely." That's really all we need to know to demand radical changes to police culture, if not the entire concept of ubiquitous armed police forces.

That isn't a logical conclusion to draw. Are there instances where doctors negligently kill their patients? Absolutely. That does not mean we need to "radically" change doctor culture, if not the entire concept of doctors performing surgeries with sharp objects. The RATE is abuse is more important than the mere existence of abuse. These emotional comments have lost touch with logical thinking. The media is driving pe…

"The RATE is abuse is more important than the mere existence of abuse."

So what's an acceptable rate for the murder of PoC due to ongoing systemic racism and abuse of authority at the hands of the Police?

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Post by hobs »

vorpalhex wrote: post #600
hobs wrote: post #551

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Peaceful protestors are by definition not criminals. People whose rights are violated by the police? Often not criminals as well! In fact, you cant really call someone a criminal until they've been convicted of a crime - cue the video of the cops being called by the black store owner, punching him in the face and breaking his jaw while the white thief leaves.

Right but when you start throwing rocks and glass bottles, when you start blocking ambulances and firetrucks on highways, well then you aren't a peaceful protestor anymore.

How about this child shot in the face with a mace canister? Peaceful or violent protestor?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/outrage-vide...

It is extremely hard to react with anything but EXTREME vitriol to comments like yours - police are using excessive force deliberately, and then arresting people with no cause who post videos of their crimes.

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Post by chrisco255 »

deathgrips wrote: post #198
chrisco255 wrote: post #118

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That's only a function of how good they are at what they do. They have to engage in over 10 million incidents a year. Any one of those could be a routine traffic stop that suddenly turns into a gang bust and an attempt is made on their own life. They don't have the luxury of foresight of knowing if they're coming home today or not. They know they're a target. Contrast that with your average aeron chair programmer and…

Pizza delivery drivers have to deliver over 10 million pizzas a year. Any one of those deliveries could be cut short by a drunk driver that causes a head-on collision at 60 miles per hour. They don't have the luxury of foresight of knowing if they're coming home today or not. They know they're at risk. Contrast that with your average cop issuing citations and filling out paperwork and I'd say their job is incredibly…

Pizza delivery can be dangerous in certain neighborhoods, for sure. At least one or two were killed in my home town. However, let's not pretend that the emotional and mental weight and responsibility of being a pizza delivery driver is anywhere close to what a cop has to deal with on a daily basis:

"Police respond to murder-suicide in Durham" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei4D2toAHQ4

"Man shoots, kills police wearing body cam" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssARbfxqTh0

"Police respond to reported armed robbery on South Hill" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7iOelX_0kY

"Bodycam Footage Shows Woman Falsely Accused Cop of Sexual Assault | New York Post" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTv5VkX_T8o

"Police seek man who tried to rape elderly woman" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWPvXsUmZik

You let me know what pizza delivery driver has to deal with shit like that.

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Post by oh_sigh »

triceratops wrote: post #187
oh_sigh wrote: post #148

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This sounds like one arguing that playing russian roulette isn't dangerous, because one can name more dangerous activities. The fact that deep sea fishing is ultra dangerous doesn't mean that being a cop isn't dangerous.

"It's a dangerous job" is given as a reason for why so much policy brutality occurs. Pointing out how dangerous it is relative to other professions is absolutely germane.

That's exactly my point, and no it isn't. Policing isn't less dangerous because deep sea fishing is really dangerous. If someone said "It's the most dangerous job", then it would be germane.

Here's the same logic applied elsewhere:

It's not dangerous to be a black man in America. What's really dangerous is to be a El Salvadoran living in El Salvador(the country with the highest murder rate in the world).

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Post by wl »

tartoran wrote: post #625
racnid wrote: post #545

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1) Because "freshly shot lifeless" bodies can and have come back to kill people. 2) Because there is no such thing as shoot to wound. If you've gotten to the point where you're shooting at someone they need to be dead. Any bullet holes in your body are potentially fatal. Especially the famous leg shot; damage to your femoral artery will kill you extremely quickly.

Yikes. No. If you don’t get threatened with a gun or another weapon you don’t shoot period. Some people have mental issues and normally they twitch a lot. And cops claim they were afraid for their lives, it’s the easy license to kill. I find that barbaric and no wonder we see so much backlash against the police force!!!

It doesn't take a weapon to kill someone. A blow to the head can be fatal. And as we recently saw in the case of George Floyd, positional asphyxiation and/or choking can be fatal, too.

When considering whether or not the use of deadly force was justified in a given situation, the lack of a weapon isn't the trump card indicating the force was not justified that many people think it is.

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Post by astura »

softawre wrote: post #714
jairofloress wrote: post #709

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“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” Its a cycle we already saw so many times, I believe with so many movements asking for rights, that this is "weak men" part creating hard times. Mexico did a while ago what so many people is asking for, disband a security corp, result? The Zetas. Why people is ignoring statistics? People kill peop…

I don't think any reasonable person is suggesting we fully defund or disband the police. They are suggesting that by giving police military style gear it incentivizes them to use it. Instead of giving the police this crazy gear, we should redirect that money into training for the police. Or maybe some of it should go to schools.

No, Minneapolis city council has unanimously voted to completely disband the police and are rethinking public safety from scratch. Reform clearly hasn't worked.

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Post by base698 »

MrMan wrote: post #752
base698 wrote: post #681

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You can be massively misleading even if you're filming reality as it happens. The first of the recent Atlanta shooting videos to air left out the part where you see the suspect point a taser at the police. Ie the video appears he was shot in the back, but security cam footage shows the full story.

Autopsy says shot in the back twice.

He pointed a taser at the police behind him in pursuit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbf0x_K9i54

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