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How come https://hkmap.live/ is still online while the app cannot? if GCF(Great china firewall) can block Quartz, they can block this URL as well right? thank god we still have an open web where few websites can still be there and not inside a walled garden..

Hong Kong is not behind the GCF.

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No, just the majority, as I understand it, and as I believe their actions demonstrate. Of course I can't know the inner secrets of a billion minds, but it's my genuine belief that what I wrote is at least mostly in the right direction.

Is majority always right? Does the majority have complete information on the matter?

> Is majority always right?

No, it isn't. Hence why Peter Thiel's statement regarding freedom and democracy being incompatible is not as controversial as some people pretend.

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Blizzard and now Apple. I think this is very serious and it should be a wake-up call. As simple citizens we don't have much choices but vote with our wallets and use social networks to attack the most valuable asset of those companies, their reputation.

It really makes me wonder if China already own the world economy and it is just now showing its face.

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> So you can of course side load apps more easily on Android, but it isn’t super easy. I guess that matters less when people are motivated. Well, there's a balance here. If it's too easy, some users will be tricked into installing malware. I think Android is a good compromise. If you're even a tiny bit technically inclined, you can enable sideloading in a couple of minutes at most, and it's a one-time process.

>you can enable sideloading in a couple of minutes at most How does that not fit your definition of "too easy"? If it can be disabled in minutes and any attempt to install an unauthorized APK takes you right to the screen, it seems completely pointless.

Taking users right to the screen in settings strikes me as a less-than-ideal decision—is that true in the most recent version of stock Android? I recall having to navigate there myself, but I could be wrong.

Regardless, I think there's a world of difference between "Tap an app to install and run" and "tap an app and move through several dialogue boxes, which include a scary security warning." It's not perfect, but it's leagues better than Apple's alternative...

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Blizzard and now Apple. I think this is very serious and it should be a wake-up call. As simple citizens we don't have much choices but vote with our wallets and use social networks to attack the most valuable asset of those companies, their reputation.

It's not "now" Apple. Apple has been serving the criminal Chinese government for years now. Even Facebook and Google have been doing so, even going so far as to build censorship into their products specifically for the Chinese government.

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There's a balance between freedom of expression and security (de-platforming). Where that balance is, is different for most everyone.

Destroying democracy is not just somebody's opinion.

I agree 100%. I would take freedom of expression over security.

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This is why Apple will always be a second-class citizen to Android. If I have a good reason, I can toggle a setting and install APKs built by anyone. If I have a good reason, I can wipe my phone and unlock the bootloader to literally replace and de-Google the entire OS. When I buy a phone, it's a hardware product I'm buying. Just like when you buy a PC/laptop, what you run on it is your business, not the manufacturer…

That's funny: "Apple will always be a second-class citizen to Android" You don't hear about 14 million iPhones being infected by malware[0], do you? Or malware stealing users' bank credentials[1]? Heck, there are people whose brand new phone comes pre-loaded with malware[2]. Oh, this one was just posted five hours ago -- applications on the Google Play store load with trojans and spyware[3]. I can keep going, but the…

This argument reminds me of the gun control argument.

People in favour of "more guns" are fully aware that more guns means a more dangerous society. But they consider the freedom to choose whether to own guns more important than living in a statistically safer society.

Whereas, people in favour of "gun control" consider the safety of society overall to be much more important than the freedom to own devices designed to kill people.

To me, that's what Android vs iPhone represents with respect to freedom. Android gives you more freedom to choose different devices, but at the cost of most devices not getting security and OS updates.

Likewise, Android gives you the freedom to side-load all kinds of things onto your devices, and of course the Android ecosystem is chock-full of malware.

The proponent of freedom says, "Yes, I understand that this is a much more dangerous ecosystem, but I value the freedom to defend myself."

The proponent of safety says, "There are some dangers that are best met by a centralized, platform defence, not by individuals."

Philosophically, I understand both arguments, even if I am very clearly in one of the two camps with no interest whatsoever in switching to the other.

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