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Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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jedrek wrote: post #730
bjacobel wrote: post #440

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The really galling part is the total refusal to admit they're not doing anything innovative. "There has never been another product like the iPad Pro before" was a real quote from today's presentation, and is a complete falsehood.

What is this obsession with thinking that Apple (or any business) should present new products by going... "well, shucks, this is kinda crap, but we had a production plan to meet. Sorry, it's not very good..." Of course they're selling the hell out of it, that's what companies that take in billions of dollars do: make a decent product and then promote it. At least the stuff Apple makes usually works and the features t…

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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by jann »

rdancer wrote: post #587
coldtea wrote: post #495

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It's marketing. And when it comes to marketing its far more true than that Lynx will get you laid (lol), or that some new detergent will revolutionaze how clean your clothes are, or that some GAP clothes will make you part of the "in" crowd. It's also depends on the level we're talking. If we just take "product like the iPad pro" to mean "a large tablet" then yes it's a "complete falsehood". But it obviously means "a…

> Lynx will get you laid Oh yes, it will. Getting teen-agers to start applying basic precepts of personal hygiene is like trying to drill an oil well with a toothbrush. Those commercials get it exactly right: (1) you stink (2) only men who don't stink get laid (3) use a bloody deodorant, you testosterone-laden pig!

Note: Lynx is called Axe in other countries.

I was just thinking how a terminal web browser gets you laid :)

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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desdiv wrote: post #736
RexRollman wrote: post #348

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I wouldn't touch the Surface in light of Windows 10's issues with privacy. (Not that iOS doesn't have some issues itself.)

Well put Linux on it then. No one's forcing you to use Windows.

Using a Surface running Linux sounds like a proper definition of "hell."

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Bjartr wrote: post #635
cezarywojcik wrote: post #628

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I got a Surface Pro 3 almost exclusively for using OneNote on it. It's pretty great for that, but having Windows in the way was sometimes annoying. The Surface is capable of a lot more than I do with it, but I have my MacBook for everything that isn't handwriting. The iPad Pro is exactly what I wanted - a device for writing down notes, sketching designs, and doing so seamlessly without the "bloat" of a full OS in the…

Microsoft tried to make something for that market with their WinRT surface tablets, the market responded with chirping crickets.

True, but I think the problem was that the WinRT looked like ordinary Windows but couldn't run any of the applications that people put on them (x86 binaries). Plus, it was competing against another form of itself (the Pro) in a squashed market anyway (Android gazillion models + iPad), where people typically saw tablets as a consumption device (I could be wrong, but my dad still dislikes my mum's iPad and will go to his laptop to do anything any day).

So WinRT and SurfaceRT struggled. My sister bought one and liked it though.

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greendestiny wrote: post #672
cezarywojcik wrote: post #628

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I got a Surface Pro 3 almost exclusively for using OneNote on it. It's pretty great for that, but having Windows in the way was sometimes annoying. The Surface is capable of a lot more than I do with it, but I have my MacBook for everything that isn't handwriting. The iPad Pro is exactly what I wanted - a device for writing down notes, sketching designs, and doing so seamlessly without the "bloat" of a full OS in the…

I think this is the angle of attack that Apple is taking here. They want to catch up to the handwriting and sketching abilities of Surface, but they don't want a hybrid OS. In a lot of ways the Surface is a laptop with a detachable keyboard and the OS and eco system is still based on that. Apple wants their eco system to develop from a clean touch OS base into productivity areas. Having said that, they are really lag…

Out of interest, are Surfaces gaining in popularity in the business world?? I do not mix with sufficient business types (I associate with penny pinchers who scoff at buying cheap Windows laptops and gag when anything Apple comes along).

My brother-in-law will probably love this iPad Pro as he is a financial advisor and spends a lot of time getting quotes from websites, so he loves his iPad. He hates his MacBook Pro as he says "it keeps too many things open and doesn't shut them down properly" which is indicative of not understanding how apps close on OSX (or bothering to learn), and an interesting side-effect of the 'freeze-dried' app states on iOS for multitasking. I would have thought that OSX > iOS (I find using the iPad frustrating as it is like using a child's toy with no filesystem access) but for "real world" users it is obviously different. Enlightening to me anyway!

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Post by 72deluxe »

coldtea wrote: post #495
bjacobel wrote: post #440

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The really galling part is the total refusal to admit they're not doing anything innovative. "There has never been another product like the iPad Pro before" was a real quote from today's presentation, and is a complete falsehood.

It's marketing. And when it comes to marketing its far more true than that Lynx will get you laid (lol), or that some new detergent will revolutionaze how clean your clothes are, or that some GAP clothes will make you part of the "in" crowd. It's also depends on the level we're talking. If we just take "product like the iPad pro" to mean "a large tablet" then yes it's a "complete falsehood". But it obviously means "a…

I used Lynx but preferred elinks or curl when in desperate need.

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Post by 72deluxe »

tallanvor wrote: post #740
threeseed wrote: post #652

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> There is no opportunity for the next iPhone-level success in the market today. Oh yes there is. The car. Very high margin. Plenty of opportunity to do something radically different.

Tesla is already there. I mean, Apple could still try, but they're not likely to come up with anything that people will consider "revolutionary".

Touch-screen steering wheel? What could possibly go wrong?

As an aside, I find the obsession with touchscreen interfaces in cars to be irritating because obviously the testers test these things whilst sat perfectly still in a stationary vehicle or in a car with hydrogas suspension (just kidding), and not on a typical road that has bumps. They're impossible to use whilst in motion as your arm bounces around.

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Post by 72deluxe »

bduerst wrote: post #416
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It's not the copying that worries people, it's the lack of not-coping, i.e. innovations. iPod is not the first mp3 player, iPhone is not the first smart phone, but they were packed with innovative ideas that stood them out. We see less and less such ideas from Apple. Their execution/quality control is still top notch though, but other companies are catching up.

I dunno - Apple kind of killed NFC adoption by waiting so long to finally include it. They should have had it back in 2012.

Google added NFC years ago and few added it to their phones - manufacturers have started adding it but then Google doesn't offer Wallet here in the UK and then chucked Wallet in the bin I think, so they REALLY didn't help NFC in my opinion.

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mhomde wrote: post #421
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #240

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In all fairness I know many people who love to draw on the Surface and really wanted a more precise pen type of input on the iPad; I think this was a long time coming and really necessary. The keyboard cover thing? Sure I could agree with you on that. I actually think Surface did a better job with it especially with the adjustable kickstand but we'll see when I can actually touch and play with the iPad Pro one.

Yeah, the Mac book is really huge within certain tech/creative circles and not in a million years would they get a windows machine (well,a few do albeit very reluctantly). Every mac illustrator worth his salt is going to throw money at the screen to get this and I'm sure many many apps for the pen aren't far behind. Smart move by Apple The enterprise market is more tricky... I can see some fancy plastic surgery offic…

throwing money at the screen

haha that makes me laugh. Either a big wad of cash notes, or bags of metal change, or flicking a credit card at it like ninja stars. Even funnier would be the attempt to pay contactless by waving their NFC phone repeatedly over the screen like we used to do with magnets on CRTs before we realised the damage it did...

I have a MacBook and every time I use a Windows laptop I find the touchpad to be a complete joke and clicky clicky clicky. Even booting to Windows on my MacBook is painful as the touchpad suddenly becomes very dumb.

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