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Re: Identity verification on Claude

#741

Post by ElProlactin »

rglullis wrote: post #738
ElProlactin wrote: post #737

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> You keep trying to find a way to rationalize their action, when it is clear that the adopted this policy for one simple reason: it's an attempt to appease the US government. Your position seems to be based on lack of knowledge of the fact that the US government has broad authority to regulate AI services under existing national security and export control powers. You can argue that those powers are wrong, but these…

> seems to be based on lack of knowledge of the fact that the US government has broad authority to regulate AI services I understand they have the authority. The point that you keep evading to answer is "Why Anthropic only ? Why now ?". More than that: why do you keep arguing that people should just accept it? Why do you think that we should just roll over and accept these rules? I am not asking you "what the courts…

> I am not asking you "what the courts would say", I am asking you personally: you really don't see a problem in normalizing a world where people can only conduct business if they subject themselves to give away personal data?

Companies like Meta and Google collude with media/publishers/online service providers to track you across the web and use your data to target you for advertising even when you aren't registered or logged into their services. Data brokers whose names nobody knows gather and sell information about every single American. Credit bureaus track some of your most sensitive financial data whether you like or not, and sell it to companies who use it to make some of the most important decisions that affect you financially.

Anthropic asking customers who voluntarily choose to do business with Anthropic for ID so that they can comply with sanctions laws is not the same thing.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#742

Post by rglullis »

ElProlactin wrote: post #741
rglullis wrote: post #738

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> seems to be based on lack of knowledge of the fact that the US government has broad authority to regulate AI services I understand they have the authority. The point that you keep evading to answer is "Why Anthropic only ? Why now ?". More than that: why do you keep arguing that people should just accept it? Why do you think that we should just roll over and accept these rules? I am not asking you "what the courts…

> I am not asking you "what the courts would say", I am asking you personally: you really don't see a problem in normalizing a world where people can only conduct business if they subject themselves to give away personal data? Companies like Meta and Google collude with media/publishers/online service providers to track you across the web and use your data to target you for advertising even when you aren't registered…

> Companies like Meta and Google

This is some weird whataboutism, and it doesn't answer my question.

> Anthropic asking customers who voluntarily choose to do business

Anthropic is changing the terms. It used to be until last week that ID is not required. Now it is. Some of these customers are now reconsidering their relationship, and it seems you are here saying they should just accept it without a second thought, because "this is what other companies do it anyway". This is the part I am struggling to understand.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#743

Post by baq »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #726
baq wrote: post #378

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I don’t care about hype cycles too much, I care about the value I, my team and the teams I work with are getting out of the technology and it is objectively revolutionary. I don’t run token ladders, I don’t play stupid status games, I use the tech because it’s a step function change in most workflows. You can call it hype, I’m calling it a dystopian rat race, the name doesn’t matter as long as we both have mouths to…

"objectively revolutionary" That very much depends on how you group your terms. Mediocre code has existed as long as programming languages, and it was something organizations trained juniors to avoid mass producing. What's revolutionary is now your boss is throwing money at tokens instead of paying for ass-seat-hours.

Yes exactly! The last time this happened we called it the industrial revolution and it put a lot of junior farmland developers out of jobs.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by forgetfreeman »

baq wrote: post #743
forgetfreeman wrote: post #726

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"objectively revolutionary" That very much depends on how you group your terms. Mediocre code has existed as long as programming languages, and it was something organizations trained juniors to avoid mass producing. What's revolutionary is now your boss is throwing money at tokens instead of paying for ass-seat-hours.

Yes exactly! The last time this happened we called it the industrial revolution and it put a lot of junior farmland developers out of jobs.

I feel like comparisons with the industrial revolution are reductionist in dangerous ways. The industrial revolution first shifted and then increased overall demand for labor. This made the labor movement possible and eventually ushered in an era of unprecedented prosperity for the working classes. AI (by it's own marketing claims) is poised to vastly reduce demand for traditional labor without creating any new demand to replace it. Given the deeply interconnected nature of the modern economy it's not hard to imagine this proposed reduction in labor demand collapsing the economy in ways that fucking with interest rates and printing money don't fix.

I'm really struggling to get a handle on your position here. You appear to be arguing the worst positions from both sides of the debate around AI at the same time. If you're claiming the future is here and it is deeply stupid then we're in violent agreement.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by forgetfreeman »

fragmede wrote: post #740
forgetfreeman wrote: post #727

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I feel like you missed the point pretty aggressively here if you're trying to claim waymo's existence in any way justifies burning roughly the GDP of Luxembourg on R&D. This should be a fairly alarming indicator of how utterly divorced the tech industry is from any kind of real world outcomes and just one of countless examples of tech industry hype resulting in embarrassingly miniscule returns when actual results are…

The cars exist, and they drive themselves. In the real world. Here's the latest city list: San Francisco Bay Area, CA Los Angeles, CA Metro Phoenix, AZ Miami, FL Orlando, FL Dallas, TX Houston, TX San Antonio, TX Nashville, TN I don't know why comparing it to the GDP of Luxembourg is interesting but sure. 1.9 million people die annually in car crashes.What would you spend it on?

pinches nose in frustration Yeah and they fled the Atlanta metro area because it rained. The point (the actual point here) isn't to relitigate Waymo's arc of existence. I merely hold them up as one of countless examples of the market's apparent disinterest in examining basically any of the tech industry's claims vs reality and how this leads to deeply perverse outcomes that absolutely would not be tolerated from any other industry segment. I'm guessing I'd get less pushback if I'd instead mentioned techbros attempts to reinvent trains badly from first principles being a smoke screen to sabotage mass transit projects, or pretty much anything involving social media or computers in classrooms.

While I have you I'm honestly curious what it is about Waymo that attracts all the devotion? That's super not a thing where I live so I'm guessing it's got to be some kind of regional cultural thing or something?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by deanishe »

palmotea wrote: post #614
deanishe wrote: post #560

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What allies? You threatened to invade Canada and Greenland. You surely don't think you're coming back from that?

> What allies? > You threatened to invade Canada and Greenland. > You surely don't think you're coming back from that? Trump threatened. Those were unserious remarks by an unserious person who's 80 years old. If that was all it takes to permanently demolish those alliances, they were never actually there.

This sort of casual dismissal is precisely why the relationship won't be repaired.

We deployed troops to Greenland after his comments. Does that sound unserious to you?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by hbd-investor »

ElProlactin wrote: post #602
js8 wrote: post #598

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You don't know what you're talking about. Russians occupied my country, killed almost no one, and yet it was far worse than all the economic damage caused by Western neoliberalism. US imperialism has been a blight to the world, outright killing millions. Modern China did nothing on that scale.

I think you misread my comment. > ...but America's wars don't even scratch the surface of what it has done overseas through economic might and covert action. "What IT has done overseas" refers to the US. But as for China, the Great Leap Forward is considered the largest man-made famine in history, causing somewhere between 15 and 55 million deaths. The Cultural Revolution resulted in the destruction of irreplicable a…

You do realize that your quoted figure of 15 and 55 million deaths, came from looking at population figures and assuming that everybody Pre great famine would have the exact same number of children and those children will have the exact same number of children as the starting point.

And is just pure nonsense, might as well claim that the US killed 548 million people, because in 1957 the US population was 172 million and had a TFR of 3.62 , assuming that trend held we would be at 720 million in 2026

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by yencabulator »

joxdosba wrote: post #698
yurishimo wrote: post #669

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I would maybe reframe it as fraud being a natural downstream effect of identity theft. I don't need to steal anyone's identity to forge a check but that's also categorized as fraud. Identity theft also paints a clearer picture of what is required to remedy the situation. If your details have been pwnd hard enough, you might need to get new government documents entirely in order to protect yourself long term. If a con…

> Identity theft also paints a clearer picture of what is required to remedy the situation. If your details have been pwnd hard enough, you might need to get new government documents entirely in order to protect yourself long term Okay, but in the US (for example) you simply can’t do that, and your details are already available to everyone for a dollar or two. I’ll concede that “identity theft” could conceivably have…

> I’ll concede that “identity theft” could conceivably have a reasonable meaning in the context of e.g. Estonian digital identities where you could in a sense steal someone’s private key.

Stealing someone's private key still wouldn't be "identity theft", they'd just need to bootstrap a new key the same way they got the government to trust the previous one (and revoke the old one).

It's just victim-blaming and PR attempting to make companies not liable for their bad decisions.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by pbgcp2026 »

mapt wrote: post #674
teliosix wrote: post #670

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It is just the standard performative outrage over and over. The same person will be uploading their ID a few days after it is introduced. So many people have internalized an anonymous audience that they are performing to in terms of what they think the anonymous audience wants to hear that they can't tell what is their own actual thoughts and motivations. That is why the motivation changes two weeks later and the ID…

Some of us hold grudges on account of performative outrage. Ubisoft made invasive DRM the norm in gaming ~20 years ago. While other companies now do the same thing, I'm still boycotting. Fuck'em.

+1. You are not alone and please keep boycotting them. I personally do this and never use any websites or services requiring "ID check". If Gov agency wants my face and prints - Ok, I will give them on the border crossing and immigration services to get a passport. Everyone else goes to hell.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by jplusequalt »

verdverm wrote: post #101
baq wrote: post #9

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Serving barely useful GLM 5.2 costs what? $15k? Actually useful is like $50k? You’ll never recoup the cost unless you ‘locally’ means ‘inference provider is not the model provider’?

$15k or $50k is pretty cheap all things considered (a year ago it would have been more expensive, one person can spend that in a month or two) I bought my spark and the models have already improved in that time (qwen3.6, speculative decoding 2x tgen, diffusion gemma 4x tgen) and I expect this to improve. Look out another 2-3 years, local is going to be very competitive.

>$15k or $50k is pretty cheap all things considered

This website is so out of touch with reality.

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