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I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by root_axis »

Miner49er wrote: post #730
kalkin wrote: post #698

I think there's a reasonable argument that our entire society right now is under AI psychosis: The stock market keeps going up in the face of the indefinite closure of Hormuz. We're investing in datacenters at a scale that only makes sense if AI capabilities continue to advance to the point where they surpass most humans at most white collar tasks, if not reach superintelligence. And what are the possible outcomes? -…

If we achieve runaway AI, the stock market goes to infinity. So from an expected value standpoint, massive spending on it is worthwhile. Even if the odds are tiny, the payoff warrants a massive bet size.

Not really. If run away AI ever became a real thing, the stock market would be completely destroyed since most companies would become worthless.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by skydhash »

zomglings wrote: post #723
denkmoon wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use $30 a day to produce a decent amount of code. Certainly more than we need - thinking about/designing the correct solution/distilling requirements is still the bottleneck. How can you possibly even review $300/day worth of output?

It doesn’t have to be $300/day worth of output tokens. It could be like $290/day worth of input tokens to teach both you and the model about the problem you are solving and then $10/day worth of output tokens.

And what about you knowing the problem and the solution, but are just worrying about the impact downstream. Most of my time is spent managing those. I know the exact code to be published. And some time I already have it committed in my local branch. Then you need to make everyone aware of what it entails and that's usually how you can spend days on a simple bug or a change request.

Software is a big graph of interlocked rules. And if you can grasp the whole or the part you own (and you should be able to), it's often very easy to see the control points. You don't have a coding bottleneck anymore, you have a communication bottleneck[0]. Which is an organizational issue, not anything relevant to engineering.

[0]: See Naur's Programming as Theory Building and Brooke's Mythical Man Month.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by gofreddygo »

hmokiguess wrote: post #737

The tone of the twitter post feels very personal, and emotional, and I am sorry for the author. I hope he can find peace and calm with the pace of change to put forward his best self without needing to act like he needs to defend or fight something. The energy feels misdirected and maybe also a communication issue, I think spreading awareness needs to come not from attacking and also not from attempts to change peopl…

yes, the tone feels personal, and I feel happy for the author for expressing it on a platform that is desgned for it.

He is clear in pointing out the hard earned lessons we have learned before and how the current actions are essentially undermining it. This is dumb (i agree) and he expects better from people whom he respects.

it's clear, personal, logical. I don't understand what your criticism is.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by hu3 »

rglover wrote: post #684

People just need to calm down. We're scaring the shit out of ourselves for no reason. Just like, chill man. It's a tool; not the second coming.

It has potential to remodel society though.

Cars replaced horses.

But AI is poised to replace a large chunk of brain labour.

Where's the ceiling?

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by [deleted] »

denkmoon wrote: post #643
doginasuit wrote: post #355

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I've never had more fun coding, but the key is actually still writing the code yourself. The LLM has terrible judgment but an encyclopedic knowledge and the ability to pick out important details in a sea of information. Their worse use is producing code, but somehow that gets all the energy. Being an LLM babysitter is energy draining and you feel less and less in control. No job is worth being miserable doing somethi…

What do you use an LLM for then? Or you’re saying just don’t use it at all?

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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by dakolli »

Falimonda wrote: post #617
dakolli wrote: post #484

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No offense, but if you think your using AI in the development and design of your site, voxos.ai , gave you a competitive advantage it didn't. I can instantly tell when someone used an LLM to build their whole site and lets just say... Its not a good thing.

I'm absolutely outraged. Thank you for this valuable feedback!

I'm not even trying to be mean, although it probably comes off that way. I'm just saying we live in a world with handmade watches from Switzerland and mass manufactured watches made in Vietnam. Nobody cares about the mass manufactured watch from Vietnam, whereas the handmade watch gets all the attention (and money). We now live in a world with the same dichotomy of software. Be creative with your pursuits, put effort into them it will pay off.

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by Muromec »

ufish235 wrote: post #724
pigpop wrote: post #719

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Weird that you mention the stock market and then conclude that there are only two outcomes: bust or success. If anyone can learn anything from the stock market it's that boom and bust are cycles that oscillate around a trend and everything tends to revert toward longer term trajectories. So, yes everyone is caught up with and overhyping AI and yes there will be a bust after the boom at some indeterminate point but th…

Yes and my partners father has been calling for a bust for the last decade and everything has simply taken off.

I don't see any taking off actually

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by peab »

upcoming-sesame wrote: post #738
solenoid0937 wrote: post #591

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Also at a FAANG here. Surprised you don't manage to use $300 in a whole day. It's almost trivial to productively use that much in under an hour. Leadership is not being dumb, at least on this topic. If your token usage is that low, you just aren't using AI that much (even if you think you are.)

300 an hour, that's insane

Not really, if you use the most expensive models and you have a large codebase stuffed into the context window

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Post by AbioticAdam »

Miner49er wrote: post #732
rf15 wrote: post #716

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Success is also bust: Money becomes worthless. Everything you know and are is now obselete.

I highly doubt that. Humans might become obsolete, but money will almost certainly still be a thing.

Interesting. Do you think a super intelligence would use our currency?

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Post by thfuran »

deejaaymac wrote: post #704
kalkin wrote: post #698

I think there's a reasonable argument that our entire society right now is under AI psychosis: The stock market keeps going up in the face of the indefinite closure of Hormuz. We're investing in datacenters at a scale that only makes sense if AI capabilities continue to advance to the point where they surpass most humans at most white collar tasks, if not reach superintelligence. And what are the possible outcomes? -…

I don't think the majority of humanity will ever accept "AI" as being anything more than a fancy computer, let alone a 'new species', even if it was proven sentient.

People will anthropomorphize rocks.
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