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I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by 3form »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #588
32as01 wrote: post #583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Or he's just giving a sane take, one that most people in the Bay Area have by now. Lots of tech companies are doing just fine with purely AI written code at this point. Saying that the quality is getting worse in some immeasurable way (while incidents remain the same) is literally unfalsifiable.

>Or he's just giving a sane take, one that most people in the Bay Area have by now.

I don't know what the Bay Area note is supposed to mean in the context of the whole post - unless you want to reinforce that it surely means that it's a sane take... In which case, I'm not certain the non-Bay readers would agree that it comes from an unbiased culture.

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Post by tossandthrow »

I don't entirely know what rational discussions that can not be had?

It seems like he is pointing out that Ai will increase the complexity of a system oblivion, and that this is the discussion that can not be had.

Bit I am more than happy to talk about how I am using Ai to reduce complexity and remove architectural debt that I otherwise could not justify spending time on.

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Post by moogly »

vividfrier wrote: post #440

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> And I haven't written a single line of code myself since what - February maybe?

And how many lines of Markdown have you written? Pointless metric. I think I type more now because I don't get any helpful autocomplete for... English.

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Post by denkmoon »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #591
wrxd wrote: post #538

I’m at a FAANG and we have $300/day token quota. Personally I don’t use that much of it but management is pushing really hard for it. “the quota has been raised for a reason, use it”. Any task: “have you tried working on it with Claude?”. Every meeting “now engineer x and y will show you what he did with AI”. It’s not all useless but most of the days I think I would be more productive if some processes were streamlin…

Also at a FAANG here. Surprised you don't manage to use $300 in a whole day. It's almost trivial to productively use that much in under an hour. Leadership is not being dumb, at least on this topic. If your token usage is that low, you just aren't using AI that much (even if you think you are.)

I use $30 a day to produce a decent amount of code. Certainly more than we need - thinking about/designing the correct solution/distilling requirements is still the bottleneck. How can you possibly even review $300/day worth of output?

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Post by nfRfqX5n »

wrxd wrote: post #538

I’m at a FAANG and we have $300/day token quota. Personally I don’t use that much of it but management is pushing really hard for it. “the quota has been raised for a reason, use it”. Any task: “have you tried working on it with Claude?”. Every meeting “now engineer x and y will show you what he did with AI”. It’s not all useless but most of the days I think I would be more productive if some processes were streamlin…

Seems like people are spending more time building tools than doing actual work. Lots of overlap too

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Post by Falimonda »

dakolli wrote: post #484
Falimonda wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spoiler: it's not

No offense, but if you think your using AI in the development and design of your site, voxos.ai , gave you a competitive advantage it didn't. I can instantly tell when someone used an LLM to build their whole site and lets just say... Its not a good thing.

I'm absolutely outraged. Thank you for this valuable feedback!

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Post by puttycat »

sometimelurker wrote: post #319

I'd like to chime in and mention that its really obvious how to RL a coding agent to get the human addicted asap. and its also clear that there's a ton of $$$ to be made by doing this. therefore its done. the only LLMs I use are the ones I run locally because i know they aren't RL'ed for that metric (no incentive for the company that made them to make their open weights models addictive)

Interesting angle, didn't think of this. How do you think/find that current tools are optimized for being addictive?

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Post by attila-lendvai »

andai wrote: post #215
uuyy wrote: post #115

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It’s simpler than that - it’s a guessing machine that has superior access to a whole load of information and capacity to process at a speed at which we humans cannot compete. Does it make it better than us? No because ultimately the thing itself doesn’t ‘know’ right from wrong.

Better according to what standard? The standard of most employment is already to produce mediocre, plausible outputs as cheaply and rapidly as possible. It's a match made in heaven!

in an inflationary monetary system you need to spin the hamster wheel faster than the money printer. all the way until it all falls apart...

Re: I believe there are entire companies right now under AI psychosis

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Post by Thanemate »

impulser_ wrote: post #48

I'm pretty sure he's talking about companies and people outsourcing their decision making and thinking to AI and not really about using AI itself. I don't think using AI to write code is AI psychosis or bad at all, but if you just prompt the AI and believe what it tell you then you have AI psychosis. You see this a lot with financial people and VC on twitter. They literally post screenshots of ChatGPT as their thinki…

I've been strictly using LLM's to either push stuff that I've done plenty times before and are mostly boilerplate or have zero value for writing them by hand (not even educational), and I always ENSURE that they work on stuff that are easily verifiable and proven incorrect with my existing knowledge or a few minutes of googling.
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