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TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by Barrin92 »

jmyeet wrote: post #240
MattDaEskimo wrote: post #137

It feels like federated networks with open-sourced feed algorithms are the best path forward. If AI removes any technical limitations, and automates content management, what's stopping a content creator from owning what they create and distributing it themselves? How can centralization continue to survive?

Why do so many tech people push this "federation is a panacea" idea despite all evidence to the contrary? I don't get it. First, the obvious: if federation was clearly superior, it would've won. No medium since email has been federated and even that's dominated by a handful of players. Running your own email server is... nontrivial. Second, users don't care abou tthis. Like at all. Third, supposedly tech-savvy people…

>if federation was clearly superior, it would've won.

no because we don't live in the best of all worlds. it starts to win pretty rapidly when centralized abuses of power become apparent. Bitchat (p2p mesh network messaging app) has been becoming quite popular in Uganda and Iran.

Decentralization is the basic guarantor for most of the freedoms we take for granted in democratic systems. Just because the average user doesn't exercise them, just like people who only start going on the treadmill when their chest starts to hurt at age 50, doesn't mean it isn't the answer.

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

dmix wrote: post #713
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but I was under impression those mechanism already exists. The question, as it were, comes to enforcement.

The mechanism to do it properly is the feds working with local and state officials where there's a full breadth of accountability and judicial coverage. Some states and cities have explicitly rejected doing this, some opting to purposefully make it harder. Trump instead of being diplomatic and trying to work with them has aggressively sent goons in to do flashy operations and pushed federal enforcement to the limits…

I am not disagreeing with you. Paraphrasing your own words, the mechanisms exist, but they have been intentionally blunted. We can argue whether it was a good idea to blunt it, but it does not help that the administration used that blunt tool regardless.

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by rluna828 »

fogzen wrote: post #459
dataviz1000 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't so much as the rest of the world having easy access. It is what the Chinese want the rest of the world to see. If you are in a South American country using a residential IP in new incognito session, doom scroll, after the initial disturbing content, you will start to notice videos of the United States government physically attacking people born in the country of the residential IP address. The TikTok algorit…

The U.S. government has not publicly presented any concrete evidence showing that TikTok has actually been used to influence US public opinion in line with CCP policy.

If I was a foreign government I would promote division. For the left promote anti-center truth. For the right, anti-center truth. For the center, anti-wing truth. Recommendation systems do this automatically, they are inherently anti-social. This power needs to be controlled domestically were we can force changes to algorithms if needed.

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Post by afpx »

mschuster91 wrote: post #12
inetknght wrote: post #10

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> but not that fast Why not? All the tech was already put in place by China. All that the U.S. had to do was change the filtered words.

I had expected a longer "cooldown" time so that people don't immediately jump to the conclusion that the forced TikTok sale was to suppress discussion of the Epstein files.

It’s so blatant, it’s more like trolling at this point.

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Post by kdfjgbdfkjgb »

rluna828 wrote: post #691
thomasmg wrote: post #605

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China: for Taiwan, they are in the planning phase. (Vietnam, Hong Kong, Tibet, Aksai Chin, Korea, Scarborough Shoal do not count in your view of course). Not saying they are worse than the US.

What China did to the Han Chinese makes them worse than ANY other modern country. The great leap forward and the cultural revolution have not comparison. Add in the chinese invasion of Tibet in 1959 and 1979 invasion of Vietnam and they are butchers and imperialists.

the Han? are you sure you didn't mean a different group?

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Post by direwolf20 »

zzzeek wrote: post #649
direwolf20 wrote: post #405

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TikTok was the only popular platform where you could doomscroll and see bad things the US is doing. All others censored it to please the administration. And now TikTok does too.

I think platforms like Bluesky are better suited towards this and that's what people should be using

Does Bluesky still randomly ban people?

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Post by like_any_other »

jamwil wrote: post #734
trhway wrote: post #723

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So censoring falsehoods is good, and censoring truth is bad, and you're the one who decides which is which, and you like such censorship working your way. And when censorship you'd just liked so much starts to be used against you, you start to whine. Millenia old story of a deal with devil. And by the way the covid "fact checking" wasn't based on "truth", it was at political request of White House as Zuck later said,…

On matters of science the scientists decide which is which.

Interesting that you only state the palatable part, and omit the part where we empower those scientists [1] to censor the digital public square.

[1] The government decides which scientists specifically.

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Post by southerntofu »

jamwil wrote: post #734
trhway wrote: post #723

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So censoring falsehoods is good, and censoring truth is bad, and you're the one who decides which is which, and you like such censorship working your way. And when censorship you'd just liked so much starts to be used against you, you start to whine. Millenia old story of a deal with devil. And by the way the covid "fact checking" wasn't based on "truth", it was at political request of White House as Zuck later said,…

On matters of science the scientists decide which is which.

Disclaimer: i'm far from an anti-vaxxer and i have a scientific background (though not in biology).

It's often hard to establish scientific consensus. When it's not hard, it can take a long time. Cases such as climate change are as easy as it gets: models are always a flawed approximation for reality, but denying climate change on a scientific basis is almost impossible nowadays because we have too much data and too many converging studies.

About a century ago, the "scientific" consensus in the western world was that there were different human races with very different characteristics, and phrenology was considered a science.

The question of who establishes the ground truth, and who checks the checkers still stands. Science advances by asking sometimes inconvenient, sometimes outright weird questions. And sometimes the answers provided are plain wrong (but not for obvious reasons or malice), which is why reproducibility is so important.

I don't think any entity should have the power to prevent people from questioning the status quo. Especially since censorship feeds into the mindset of the conspiracy theorists and their real truth that "THEY" don't want you to see.

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Post by brabel »

sneak wrote: post #477
parthdesai wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does China go around the world invading countries in the name of freedom? > Content about the United States government rolling through protesters in armored vehicles, killing people in Venezuela with bombs, and threatening Greenland, straight to top of feed. None of this is propaganda, it's just facts.

Propaganda can be entirely factual. In fact, the best propaganda is.

In Portuguese we use the same word for ad and propaganda! In fact that word is just propaganda!
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