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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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US perspective: EU looks like a great place to expand into once I've reached some critical size threshold. But I can't imagine starting a business there. In the US we have effectively limitless capital, tons of tech talent, and many fewer regulations. Just about everything I'd want to do in a startup appears illegal or otherwise infeasible in the EU because of the morass of data and AI and energy regulations.

> Just about everything I'd want to do in a startup appears illegal or otherwise infeasible in the EU because of the morass of data and AI and energy regulations. Sounds like you're doing some shady, disgusting bullshit or you're exaggerating the regulations. I hope it's the latter.

i understand it from a neutral perspective.

building a simple business in south east asia is drastically easier. there are effectively no privacy laws, no class action lawsuits (a big US problem not EU), no gdpr, energy is cheaper, no punitive labour courts, much looser zoning laws. almost no restrictions on international trade, no withholding taxes, no major issues with transfer pricing, no capital gains taxes, relaxed packaging laws. of course, there are different challenges.

When you go from an open market to EU mode it is insanely stressful having to suddenly deal with these enormous regulatory regimes that simply dont exist anywhere else, and to figure out how to deal with them. this stress is an energy cost, which becomes a capital cost, which makes it much more difficult for small businesses to be created. I also find supranational regulatory regimes difficult to understand, unlike other parts of the world where each country has its own law and thats it. I think its generally a good thing for the people who live there though!

when i am driving around in ASEAN i don't look at my speed. in EU i am anxiously making sure i am 1km/h below the limit to avoid a fine in the mail.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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What scenario is this? If AOSP is suddenly the only acceptable smart-os on phones for 600 million people, I think it would work out yes.

Isn’t that the scenario in this post? Cutting all ties with US companies. So they would stop using code written by Google. Isn’t most of the AOSP code written upstream by Google?

That might be, but with hundreds of millions of paying customers there is a market, and it will be filled. Maybe by some of the tens of thousands of European developers currently working for Google in Europe, or the other American companies.

Continuing a already existing open source OS is far down on the list of challenges.

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I moved my stuff to Hetzner. Obv I have no idea about your situation, but I found it fairly trivial for my stuff. But I can't figure out how to replace GSuite.

Well for one thing, call me a sell-out or accuse me of lacking craftsmanship, but I like my databases managed. Then also storage buckets, IAM, general cloud security and other niceties. And I don't think it's for a lack of skills, I know my way around a Linux box - it's just that I save so much time. I'll occasionally build small projects in a VPS (sometimes cramming the db in there too!) but I don't feel I can do it…

> but I like my databases managed. Then also storage buckets, IAM, general cloud security and other niceties.

Scaleway offers all of these.

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Taxes are not really an issue because of the services you get out of it: free healthcare, free education for your kids, etc. But yes, salary before taxes is much lower than in the US. If your goal is to make as much money as possible, either stay in US or move to a different European country (Northern Europe or Switzerland).

"free"... as in paid for with high taxes

"In 2024, the United States spent an estimated $14,885 per person on healthcare - the highest healthcare costs per capita across similar countries. For comparison, Switzerland was the second highest-spending country with $9,963 in healthcare costs per capita, while the average for wealthy OECD countries, excluding the United States, was $7,371 per person."

"Despite spending nearly twice as much on healthcare per capita, utilization rates for many services in the United States is lower than other wealthy OECD countries."

"In fact, the United States spends over $1,000 per person on administrative costs — approximately five times more than the average of other wealthy countries"

"Despite higher healthcare spending, America’s health outcomes are not any better than those in other developed countries. The United States actually performs worse in some common health metrics like life expectancy, infant mortality, unmanaged diabetes, and safety during childbirth."

- https://www.pgpf.org/article/how-does-the-us-healthcare-syst...

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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They've already invested in Matrix. Why not use that?

Yeah, I remember reading about an article on France govt adopting element/matrix. Surprised it didn´t go mainstream in other departments/companies/people.

You can see uptake at https://stats.tchap.incubateur.net/public/dashboard/8c6560e3... - looks pretty mainstream.

Visio could also use Matrix for E2EE & decentralisation by implementing MatrixRTC - we're talking to them about doing so.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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>misinformation and bigotry Please don't keep repeating this, this is why Democrats lost. Being out of touch.

No, they lost because much of the population is bigoted and did fall for misinformation. People started sharing the nonsense about Haitians eating cats and dogs, they fell for the transpanic ads...and many were still not comfortable with a woman in charge. Misinformation and bigotry, and it's not out of touch to recognize that. The problem is with the people more than the party, and fighting that so we can actually p…

No, it seriously was not that. We didn't refuse to vote for Harris because of the idiotic cats nonsense. It was in large part her and the whole DNC's explicit embrace of DEI (note: "i don't like DEI" isn't anti-minority. Plenty of minorities also want to get jobs and admitted to schools because they qualify for and earn those things and not as a free handout because of their skin).

Not 20 years ago, like 90% of Americans would have agreed that it's insane to use racial quotas and different standards of qualification for different groups. Today, the 20% or so who disagree with me on that have dragged the DNC into this unpopular position, abandoning a lot of their previous voters. This has consequences.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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There's only one thing they need to replace if they want to show independence: ChatGPT. They had their chance with Mistral and failed spectacularly with just creating anti-AI regulations. As a European I'm happy to use their product (and pay for it), I just ask one tiny little thing from them: build a better model with lower latency.

> There's only one thing they need to replace if they want to show independence: ChatGPT Before or after the bubble pops? What does chatgpt has over competitors again? Besides a deranged ceo of course

Brand recognition.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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>This is what you were told the Democrats ran on It's straight from the horses mouth mate. Plenty of dems were on social media vocal how the issue is many white men. Here: Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) "I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually causing most of the deaths within this country. And so if fear was the driving force of policies to keep America safe,…

None of those people were running for president, and none of that is part of the Democrat party platform.

https://nypost.com/2024/08/03/us-news/harris-has-long-histor... Was this one running for President?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Europe must have their own tools created from scratch. Replacing how, with which infrastructure? If you use existing libraries, don´t expect full ownership nor full privacy, same applies to hardware and cables. It is though a big step finally. It is a start, Viva la France :)

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Vance has zero of the charisma that Trump has for his voters. I can’t explain the charisma. I can’t even really describe it, but it’s real. Others have tried to replicate it with no luck.

Vance will "have the charisma" of being the focus of the palace cult (around a quarter of the country) while Trump's corpse is still warm. These people aren't people anymore, they're cultist NPCs. They have suspended personal agency and independent reasoning about their interests in favor of the vibes, in favor of the grift, and in favor of arbitrary Strong Executive Leadership. They will say literally anything Fox N…

> These people aren't people anymore

This reads kind of like you see half the population of the country as subhuman. This is often used by radicals as the first step in justifying extreme measures to achieve policy goals that would be considered unthinkable otherwise.

I know you think only the Right could be fascist, but most of the extreme left has become so distraught over their recent losses that they are losing most of their own ethics as well. "These people aren't people" is a shitty look when it's a white-supremacist saying it, and it's an equally shitty look coming from Team Blue.

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