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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by soulofmischief »

trinsic2 wrote: post #588
Barrin92 wrote: post #505

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>to make them think and act in specific ways. with the kind of images that are out in the open for everybody with their own eyes to see, if that does not move you in your heart of hearts, where no government or anyone else can touch you, there is something rotten in that person. Governments and authority figures can show you a lot of things but the amount of people who not just accept it, but gleefully celebrate the…

Yeah those guys, I think you are talking about Manga, They are not Christians, they are just using that as cover for already poisoned hearts.

I can point to countless times in history where belief in the Christian God was used to murder, subjugate and torture "others". The reality is that, regardless of what nice things Jesus may or may not have said, Christianity as an institution has always been used as a tool for power and coercion. That goes for all Abrahamic religions.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by donkeybeer »

direwolf20 wrote: post #453
tombert wrote: post #264

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> This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agency with, apparently, no accountability for following the law at all. Apparently any time they do anything horrifying, they will just declare that victim as a "terrorist" or something, and their sycophantic supporters will happily agree. What I find amusing is that when the Snowden leaks happened and I would discuss it, when I said something like…

How do we know whether they're people or bots?

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by MandieD »

itsamario wrote: post #513
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

If ice only goes after undocumented or expelled immigrants, why are they in the medicade system?

Undocumented immigrants often have legally-resident and/or citizen family members who are eligible for Medicaid.

But yes, it's disgusting that ICE has access to that data via Palantir, or that this data is being used for anything other than administering Medicaid.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by dyauspitr »

Analemma_ wrote: post #20
acc_297 wrote: post #12

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Wishful thinking but it would be real great if an engineer poisoned these datasets with bait entries

It’s not gonna happen. The people who work at Palantir, if they’re not just there for the money, think they’re doing the right thing, they see themselves as keeping the country safe and improving government efficiency (and who could be against that?)

Yes. These are the same people that will cry about chat control while pushing heinous privacy violations for their right wing overlords.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by aa-jv »

jacquesm wrote: post #668
instagraham wrote: post #662

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I find it odd that Americans aren't angrier about Russia running disinfo bot networks for over a decade now, building up to almost everything in the current cultural moment. Also odd that the tech behind this isn't more talked about. I lost the source but there was something about bot networks that could argue both sides of a topic to feign the illusion of a real debate - and this predated ChatGPT by many years. Big…

I think in part this is because it would require them to admit that they've been had, which is even worse than to have to admit you're a terrible person. Being terrible is one thing, most people can handle that. Being so utterly dumb that you've been carrying water against your own country and effectively are in every sense of the word a useful idiot is a thing most people would shy away from. Psychology is weird. As…

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by matwood »

instagraham wrote: post #662
jacquesm wrote: post #569

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Yet. But another year or two of progress on AI deepfakes and you will be talking to a bot and be none the wiser.

I find it odd that Americans aren't angrier about Russia running disinfo bot networks for over a decade now, building up to almost everything in the current cultural moment. Also odd that the tech behind this isn't more talked about. I lost the source but there was something about bot networks that could argue both sides of a topic to feign the illusion of a real debate - and this predated ChatGPT by many years. Big…

> I find it odd that Americans aren't angrier about Russia running disinfo bot networks for over a decade now

Half the country has been convinced that stories about Russia running disinformation campaigns are a hoaxes.

> I lost the source but there was something about bot networks that could argue both sides of a topic to feign the illusion of a real debate

I read a similar argument years ago about how disinformation gets into the networks. It starts with bots sharing and discussing with each other until it reaches the level to hit a few real people (useful idiots) who then share it out giving it more credence. Musk comes to mind as a key target for these types of posts now.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by davidjytang »

nearbuy wrote: post #721
thangalin wrote: post #113

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> I've got nothing to hide. Some retorts for people swayed by that argument: "Can we put a camera in your bathroom?" "Let's send your mom all your text messages." "Ain't nothin' in my pockets, but I'd rather you didn't check." "Shall we live-stream your next doctor's appointment?" "May I watch you enter your PIN at the ATM?" "How about you post your credit card number on reddit?" "Care to read your high-school diary…

I'm pro-privacy and I still think these retorts just make it sound like you've put zero effort into understanding what the "nothing to hide" people are trying to articulate. E.g. "Can we put a camera in your bathroom?" Very few people are arguing that nudity or bathroom use shouldn't be private, and they are not going to understand what this has to do with their argument that the NSA should be allowed to see Google s…

"I've got nothing to hide." is a rather extreme statement. The people who say it don't mean it literally. But saying something they don't mean aren't really helping their points across. I think OP’s retorts are simply to show how absurd the “I’ve got nothing to hide” claim is, regardless of how effective the retorts are.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by donkeybeer »

charcircuit wrote: post #296
thangalin wrote: post #113

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> I've got nothing to hide. Some retorts for people swayed by that argument: "Can we put a camera in your bathroom?" "Let's send your mom all your text messages." "Ain't nothin' in my pockets, but I'd rather you didn't check." "Shall we live-stream your next doctor's appointment?" "May I watch you enter your PIN at the ATM?" "How about you post your credit card number on reddit?" "Care to read your high-school diary…

You, someone's friends, and someone's mom are not law enforcement investigating a crime. There's a big difference between these scenarios.

Law enforcement are civilians like you or me. It was a big mistake to grant them special rights. If they can arrest people then it should be legal for you and me to arrest a LEO. Why should any person have special rights in a Democracy?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by jjgreen »

phatfish wrote: post #384
Rodeoclash wrote: post #290

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The older I get the more disconnected I feel from some of the posters on this site. I can't remember exactly when I joined, 2012ish maybe? But the takes people have seem to be getting wilder and wilder.

Most users here are American, have you seen what is happening in America? The funny (sad) thing is all the hot takes about the UK or Europe being a "police state" because porn is being blocked for kids, or persistent abuse on social media actually has repercussion (as it does in the real world already). Meanwhile ICE are murdering US citizens in the streets. Turns out American "free speech" doesn't prevent an authori…

Have a go (in the UK) with a poster reading "I support Palestine Action"

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by matwood »

pandaman wrote: post #456
tombert wrote: post #448

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Yeah, true, they're just murdering civilians in the blue states.

Can't talk for all Red states, but in Austin, TX the city police is arresting even people who try to interfere with traffic, even more so people who interfere with federal agents so there is a little chance someone reads reddit, figures there is nothing going to happen if he or she lays hands on a fed and get lit. Now, I've seen quite a few of videos from Minneapolis and there were literally 0 MPD officers in any of…

> riots

You going to tell us J6 was a peaceful tour group next?

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