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Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by mango7283 »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #8
righthand wrote: post #2

More caving to the ultra-religious pearl grippers who just have nothing better to do than tell others how to live. All the hate speech trash and troll talk on the Steam forums is fine though. All the war games are fine though. Make sure people can validate genocide and what not but not see titties.

No problems with violent imagery in TV and cinema either. In fact some of the most popular shows and movies are full of it. Not that I agree with censoring that (I don’t), but the double standard is puzzling.

You answered your own question - if you go after shows with the popularity of game of thrones or games with the popularity of grand theft auto you will fail.

They have picked their battle.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by wutwutwat »

innocentoldguy wrote: post #624
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #447

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It's pretty wild that people think that porn is more damaging to society than censorship.

In some ways, porn is more damaging, isn't it? For example, there's a lot of sex trafficking going on in the porn industry, but not so much in the censorship industry. I strongly oppose censorship and believe that payment processors and banks should be prohibited from engaging in it. Still, I have to admit that porn can be extremely destructive.

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by mango7283 »

flumpcakes wrote: post #422
crooked-v wrote: post #360

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Collective Shout also actively targets games like Detroit: Become Human that are hardly 'incest/rape games'.

And that game is still available. Hardly evidence that payment providers are targeting all 'NSFW' or adult games.

I think what that tells you is that there are still limits to what collective shout is able to do, hence why GTA is still for sale but the fringe porn games aren't

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by delecti »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #608
delecti wrote: post #52

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I wrongly assumed this was a D bill, and would die in committee. Turns out it's actually an R bill, with exclusively R sponsors, and now I'm wondering what awful shit is hiding in it. Though almost all of the sponsors are from almost 6 months ago, so it might die in committee anyway.

> Turns out it's actually an R bill, with exclusively R sponsors, and now I'm wondering what awful shit is hiding in it. It seems to me like if you thought something was good and then switched to thinking it was bad based just on who proposed it, you need to stop being prejudiced. Evaluate ideas (or bills) for their merits, not based on who originated them.

Being a member of a political party is cosigning their platform, and based on a consistent 60+ years pattern of behavior they do not deserve any benefit of the doubt. It's not prejudice if it's based on observation. It's entirely reasonable to wonder what ghoulish motives they might have for an idea I initially thought sounded good.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by ninetyninenine »

jjaksic wrote: post #628
ninetyninenine wrote: post #425

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You know. I used to be all about what you're going for. But I realized that porn to a certain extent is like cocaine. It's possibly one of the drivers for world wide declining population. Tons of dudes satisfying themselves without the urge to go out and do the real thing. There's growing science about this too. I don't like the conservative angle which is to be "proper" or it's against god, but from the scientific s…

I don't know if porn really affects population growth. There are so many other factors that do that to a much greater extent, such as: 1) gender equality and women working, 2) education, 3) contraception, 4) lower child mortality, 5) the fact that 200 years ago kids were an asset (free labor on the farm and support in old age) but today they're just a huge expense, 6) the fact that even a few decades ago child care c…

>But even if that was true, who's to say that population has to keep growing?

The issue is bigger then that. It's weird though. First for context, when population grows, that growth is compounding usually. There's an acceleration.

Now that the population is in freefall, the freefall is also compounding. Like there are structural impacts that will effect most of the asian countries (where this problem will hit first) that will effect them economically.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by ivape »

redpill12345 wrote: post #694
ivape wrote: post #456

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One can make a very strong argument that the manosphere stuff is rooted in poor sexual attitudes of men that only got worse with tons of porn. You only need to type any random sexual thing and find any explicit subreddit you want, that’s how pervasive the porn is on even an allegedly non-porn platform. Every other game has basically stripper-level female characters now days. We’ve literally gone crazy. Holistically,…

In the original days of TheRedPill one of the first things recommended was to drop porn IIRC (also workout and get paid more) The manosphere is probably a very large umbrella of all kinds of views only united by one common trait - being a man. Although you're not wrong that society is hyper sexualised and dating has become increasingly transactional

Recommending one drops porn indicates porn a problem for one.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by mango7283 »

superkuh wrote: post #440
flumpcakes wrote: post #319

They are targeting incest/rape games. I wouldn't call that 'LGBTQ' like some people seem to imply. If Itch and Steam don't want to police their store fronts _before_ the law gets involved, then I am not surprised that other businesses such as payment providers will choose not to work with them. Visa and MasterCard are in the business of making money, they're not doing this for fun.

Have you heard of a television show called "Game of Thrones". It featured live actors, real humans with human bodies, acting out representations of incest and rape. And positive representations at that. It was a worldwide phenomenon and hundreds of millions of people probably watched it. It's still available to buy and sell GoT and related merchandise and payment providers don't bat an eye. Video games don't even inv…

"It was a worldwide phenomenon and hundreds of millions of people probably watched it." - this is what explains why GOT is not the one getting taken down. Collective Shout is picking battles it can win.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by isatty »

Loughla wrote: post #488
mixologist wrote: post #467

This actually took longer than I thought. It is really weird that for all my adult content I have to go to a dedicated adult store, yet for games I can find them on Steam and gog where kids shop for games. You don’t get porn movies on Netflix or Disney stream. You don’t get adult toys in your local grocery store. Why do we sell porn on Steam? Why haven’t game stores just spin off separate store front for porn content…

Grocery stores absolutely sell sex toys now. Wal-Mart carries them as well. I'm no prude, but it's really weird to me.

Why? Why is it weird that large box stores like Walmart and target that literally sell everything, also sells vibrators?

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by ChrisNorstrom »

wmf wrote: post #43
ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #33

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Wired had plenty of coverage of the WikiLeaks battle with Visa/MC. Anyway, are you not aware of the "vibe shift" from "woke" to "based" that took place in November 2024?

Ah yes the vibe shift where the people's lives who were ruined and censored was magically undone around Nov 2024.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by slashdev »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #527
garciansmith wrote: post #483

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Bookstores sell kids books and adult material just fine. The adult stuff might be behind the counter or in a certain area, same as stores like Steam where you have to actively seek it out.

Also grocery stores sell alcohol, and I'm personally more fine with children getting access to porn than to liquor.

Depends what country you're in. In most of Canada grocery stores do not sell liquor.

But at any rate, they're going to ask for ID when you buy it. Children can't access it.

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