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Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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JumpCrisscross wrote: post #316
kreco wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not the correct way. If cigarette was banned from the beginning, we would still see people getting mad without much evidence. The truth is the evidence is coming half a century after when everyone got cancer. Precautionary principle should always prevail. That's why we just don't go full GMO, and you would still not wait for any proof that "it's harmless". You also don't use a random pesticide, unless you hav…

> the evidence is coming half a century after when everyone got cancer Yes. Then the evidence was suppressed for decades more. We have no analogy here. > Precautionary principle should always prevail Why? Why assume the status quo is perfect? Also, what part of pornography isn't embedded into the human status quo ? > don't use a random pesticide, unless you have a full proof that's it's harmless There is no such thin…

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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anonym29 wrote: post #370
fc417fc802 wrote: post #366

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A justification of what, though? It isn't a cohesive argument on it's own but it is important perspective. If a significant fraction of societies have arrived at policies that contradict your worldview I think that ought to give you pause. (Note that I say that as someone who holds far more extreme views about legal freedom of expression than the vast majority of people out there.) That's getting somewhat off topic t…

Are you defending the morality of authoritarian states imprisoning journalists and nonviolent political opposition groups? It's one thing to recognize that it happens, another to recognize the practice as legitimate, virtuous, or even desirable. To be clear, I'm not accusing you of promoting these practices, just asking you to clarify your position.

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by garciansmith »

mixologist wrote: post #467

This actually took longer than I thought. It is really weird that for all my adult content I have to go to a dedicated adult store, yet for games I can find them on Steam and gog where kids shop for games. You don’t get porn movies on Netflix or Disney stream. You don’t get adult toys in your local grocery store. Why do we sell porn on Steam? Why haven’t game stores just spin off separate store front for porn content…

Bookstores sell kids books and adult material just fine. The adult stuff might be behind the counter or in a certain area, same as stores like Steam where you have to actively seek it out.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by VerdisQuo5678 »

j_timberlake wrote: post #475

All the real hentai trash is on DLsite anyway. These people probably have no idea, and even if they did, they're powerless to change Japan. They'd definitely give up after encountering Kanji.

...sweet summer child visa is hitting DLSite hard https://cs.dlsite.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500002888202-What-p... actually it seems all the major western credit card players have already blocked them. i remember seeing pay with crypto so i guess thats what you need to use in the west

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by slillibri »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #5
magicmicah85 wrote: post #3

This is an opportunity for an entrepreneur to create a censorship-resistant platform, though, I don't know how you do it profitably when CSAM and other potentially criminal content needs to be reviewed.

CSAM means material of actual kids, meaning actual victims from the real world have been harmed/abused. Weird video games on the porn side, are only fictional 3D models made of pixels, so no humans are being harmed. When I used to kill cops in GTA Vice City as a kid, 20 years ago, I wasn't killing actual cops(duh!). Has society lost their collective marbles since then, and can't differentiate what's a real crime and…

> all legal to the T

You might want to check that because it's not so cut and dried: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_porn...

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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mixologist wrote: post #467

This actually took longer than I thought. It is really weird that for all my adult content I have to go to a dedicated adult store, yet for games I can find them on Steam and gog where kids shop for games. You don’t get porn movies on Netflix or Disney stream. You don’t get adult toys in your local grocery store. Why do we sell porn on Steam? Why haven’t game stores just spin off separate store front for porn content…

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by nosignono »

rustystump wrote: post #452
nosignono wrote: post #219

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> That being said they should probably sell them on different website. Why? (Genuinely) Why are filters not sufficient? If I enjoy adult games and non-adult games, why should I have to manage two storefronts?

Because filters do not work well at all and because these platforms want to make parents feel like it is ok for kids to be on them. Imagine if youtube had an “onlyfans” creator filter. That would never work. The reality is you are not the only customer or market. While you may find it to work well enough for you, myself along with many others do not.

They absolutely work. I'm a parent, my kid plays games. I have yet to have any concerning close calls with NSFW content. People who make adult games (by and large) don't want kids to play their games.

If the platform doesn't want kids to see them, and the creators don't want kids to see them, it's pretty easy for kids to not see them.

If creators, platforms, and users all say, I would prefer to not see the content, it's pretty easy to make that happen.

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Post by Loughla »

mixologist wrote: post #467

This actually took longer than I thought. It is really weird that for all my adult content I have to go to a dedicated adult store, yet for games I can find them on Steam and gog where kids shop for games. You don’t get porn movies on Netflix or Disney stream. You don’t get adult toys in your local grocery store. Why do we sell porn on Steam? Why haven’t game stores just spin off separate store front for porn content…

Grocery stores absolutely sell sex toys now. Wal-Mart carries them as well.

I'm no prude, but it's really weird to me.

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Post by mpalmer »

bko wrote: post #386
Mawr wrote: post #293

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I'd have an easier time with this argument if it got equally applied to violence. It's ridiculous that exposure to sex is considered worse than to violence.

I'd feel more comfortable showing a 12 year old a violent movie than I would an adult movie. Or maybe put another way, if my child was at a neighbors house and one of the parents watched an adult movie with my child I would have a huge issue. If they watched Terminator or something similar, I would have much less of an issue. They're not even close to the same thing.

They're different things, yep.

I think parent comment is asking you to consider why you think young children watching violent movies is way less of a problem. E.g. "Terminator or similar" - why draw the line there?

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by lupusreal »

garciansmith wrote: post #483
mixologist wrote: post #467

This actually took longer than I thought. It is really weird that for all my adult content I have to go to a dedicated adult store, yet for games I can find them on Steam and gog where kids shop for games. You don’t get porn movies on Netflix or Disney stream. You don’t get adult toys in your local grocery store. Why do we sell porn on Steam? Why haven’t game stores just spin off separate store front for porn content…

Bookstores sell kids books and adult material just fine. The adult stuff might be behind the counter or in a certain area, same as stores like Steam where you have to actively seek it out.

Video rental stores, when those were still a thing, were the same way. They'd have a room in the back with a curtain to section it off.
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