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CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by miningape »

AlexandrB wrote: post #720
kelsey98765431 wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to kill me and deport my good friends to guantanamo bay cuba. When you accept nazism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to control everything I say and put my good friends into reeducation camps. When you accept communism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

Any argument where you can change a few words and it suddenly makes the opposite point was never a good argument to begin with.

In short: it doesn't convince you of anything, it merely reinforces your existing biases.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by thrance »

AlexandrB wrote: post #720
kelsey98765431 wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to kill me and deport my good friends to guantanamo bay cuba. When you accept nazism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to control everything I say and put my good friends into reeducation camps. When you accept communism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

Insane talk. Where is that communist political force seeking to open gulags? The Democrats? Hahahahah

Trump has a gulag in El Salvador, right now, that he uses to send his political opponents to. And you people are still making up fantasies to play the victim. Absolutely disgusting.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by starspangled »

dmckeon wrote: post #346
4ndrewl wrote: post #296

To the "I wish HN would stay out of politics" crew. You can stay out of politics, but politics will always come and find you.

People trying to ignore politics are like fish trying to ignore water.

Ignore politics entirely maybe, but people who are tired of hearing the exact same extremist reductive opinions over and over again everywhere aren't necessarily ignoring politics. Yes we know it's all because conservatives are fascists and corrupt and Russian agents and liberals are communists and in bed with the Chinese, etc., not caring to hear about it again is not surrendering the battle of good vs evil.

For me, ironically, the worst casualty of "politics" infiltrating everything is... politics. I mean the respectful and reasoned discussion of politics. Not that it was ever in great supply, but now it is non-existent.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by SecretDreams »

dTal wrote: post #693
SecretDreams wrote: post #632

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell what argument you're making within the context of my post? The OP said indiscriminately, which means they're cutting uniformly across the board. I responded with "mostly discriminately" which means they're more selectively cutting based on prejudice. You then linked me a data point where you show they cut funding because it has the word "homo" in it and tell me to "get a hold of myself".. but your link w…

It is clear from context that the original comment is using "indiscriminately" in a sense of "without due care; thoughtlessly". Your first reply comes across as simply contradicting it, i.e. asserting that actually these cuts were made with an appropriate level of thoughtfulness. Your point that there are criteria which are being applied is a useful contribution, but you should have expanded on this in your original…

Respectfully, I took the word at face value and made what I thought was a fair, albeit half-jokingly correction. Certainly, I understood the context of the original post and I expected that this community would understand my follow up comment which is using correctly applied English. For whatever it's worth, I see no synonyms for indiscriminately that would fall under "without due care; thoughtlessly" on Merriam-Webster. Even if I understood what the OP was saying, it was not technically the correct verbiage to use. I would have thought I'd receive a similar level of "allowable nuance" in my comment that the OP was afforded.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/indiscriminately

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by SkyBelow »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #485
4ndrewl wrote: post #296

To the "I wish HN would stay out of politics" crew. You can stay out of politics, but politics will always come and find you.

To play devil's advocate - it's horrible when gaming, programming, business or even porn forums get overrun by politics. It's not that the political topics are unimportant but all my feeds just end up looking the same as each other and the same as a newspaper app. I hate election nights because of this.

Politics are also never discussed with any level of depth. At best, it each side throwing in their opening arguments and nothing more. More often you don't even get that and instead have attacking people directly, stereotyping, straw manning, and all sorts of logical fallacies. Discussion in such a situation does not happens, so either it is an ongoing war or some side wins and pushes out the rest. None of these outcomes would seem beneficial for here, and while I do think there would be some slightly longer form discussions here compared to most places, I don't think it would be enough to avoid the eventual decay.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by DrillShopper »

galangalalgol wrote: post #725
kelsey98765431 wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to kill me and deport my good friends to guantanamo bay cuba. When you accept nazism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

Having civil discussions with people who disagree isn't about politeness or acquiescence. Having political discussions per the same rules we use for technical debates, like steel manning, allows information to actually flow both ways. I'm up to four people now that I changed parties between 2020 and 2024. That doesn't seem like a lot, but if everyone was doing it it would make a difference. It took time. I had to non…

> Having civil discussions with people who disagree isn't about politeness or acquiescence. Having political discussions per the same rules we use for technical debates, like steel manning, allows information to actually flow both ways.

What additional information do they need to get out there other than they want me and people like me dead? What additional information do I need to get out there other than I don't want them to do that?

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by goku12 »

spookie wrote: post #411
okeuro49 wrote: post #344

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"You can stay out of politics, but politics will always come and find you." No, it's just recognising that it is silly to talk about politics, as certain views are just downvoted.

Of all places I find this one the most shielded from this behavior as long as you're civil.

It's true that HN insists on and respects civil behavior. But HN doesn't always remain impartial in terms of downvotes, flagging and removal of comments when it comes to some topics that are inherently political. There was one such overtly political thread recently where some of the opposing comments were flagged and removed. Those comments were not even as inflammatory as the news article itself. It indicates that HN does have a majority political bias that they're not hesitant to impose up on the discourse.

I'm not going to go into specifics of the topic because I don't want to start another episode, though I do have the complaint that such actions distort the discourse unfairly to one side. And I also understand that political biases are human nature and that they can never be fully eliminated. But at the same time, it would be harmful to pretend that the discourse on HN is apolitical, balanced or that it shields you from that sort of censorship. Imagine making a good-faith counterargument, only to have it flagged and removed because the opposition doesn't like it. And when asked, you get cited a point in the CoC, except that it's not applied uniformly and impartially in that thread. Makes you wonder what the purpose of flagging is at all! That will just put certain groups at an undisclosed disadvantage and lets harmful stereotypes flourish without any challenge. All we can do is to be forthright about this fact and try our best to have a civil debate.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by DrillShopper »

AlexandrB wrote: post #720
kelsey98765431 wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to kill me and deport my good friends to guantanamo bay cuba. When you accept nazism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to control everything I say and put my good friends into reeducation camps. When you accept communism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

> people who literally want to control everything I say and put my good friends into reeducation camps

Then you shouldn't talk to Trump supporters as that's exactly what they want to do for anyone that disagrees with them, and last I checked, they're capitalists.

They are planning on abducting people off the street, completely ignoring the courts and denying due process, and sending them to another country where they're being deprived of their rights, again, with no due process and no (effective) judicial review.

I'd expect most right wingers would be against this, but the Orange in Charge's supporters seem to hew to the "well if you didn't do anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about" angle because it's something happening to people they think deserve it.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by enraged_camel »

AlexandrB wrote: post #720
kelsey98765431 wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to kill me and deport my good friends to guantanamo bay cuba. When you accept nazism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to control everything I say and put my good friends into reeducation camps. When you accept communism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

I don't think any Democrat has ever put anyone into reeducation camps. I may be mistaken though - can you cite some examples?
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