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CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by deadbabe »

4ndrewl wrote: post #296

To the "I wish HN would stay out of politics" crew. You can stay out of politics, but politics will always come and find you.

Not keeping politics out of our lives is the reason we’ve ended up with a totalitarian fascist dictatorship. If politics is forbidden, people have to just make up their own minds and vote for what makes sense to them, instead of banding together and slowly intensifying to the most radical extremes in bids to outdo each other.

Everytime you discuss politics on the internet, you entrench the current administration.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by mrtksn »

kelsey98765431 wrote: post #683
mrtksn wrote: post #672

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with discussing politics is that it gives you the kicks. Its very easy to get into a feedback loop and take things quite far off civility. I am also guilty of it, many times. IMHO there needs to be a mechanism for breaking the loop and then we can have civil online political discussions. Unfortunately most places just ban it or ban those who got into the loop, either way its ugly. IRL when discussing poli…

No thank you. I am absolutely uninterested in civil discussions with people who literally want to kill me and deport my good friends to guantanamo bay cuba. When you accept nazism you throw the concept of civil discourse out the window.

See, its unlikely that its those people that you meet online and you won't be able to do anything to them anyway.

%99.999 of the time its usually trolls or people with good intentions(with wrong solutions based on wrong information or understanding of the situation). Trolls can be fun when they play with hypothetical scenarios and edge cases, conducting thought experiments.

You are also unlikely to change the views of the people with good intentions through discussion but they are very useful to understand what their motives so you can develop beter arguments or solutions. Also, you might find out that on some issues you are one of those with good intentions(but misguided understanding of the situation).

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by dTal »

SecretDreams wrote: post #632
MiguelX413 wrote: post #514

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I can't tell what argument you're making within the context of my post? The OP said indiscriminately, which means they're cutting uniformly across the board. I responded with "mostly discriminately" which means they're more selectively cutting based on prejudice. You then linked me a data point where you show they cut funding because it has the word "homo" in it and tell me to "get a hold of myself".. but your link w…

It is clear from context that the original comment is using "indiscriminately" in a sense of "without due care; thoughtlessly". Your first reply comes across as simply contradicting it, i.e. asserting that actually these cuts were made with an appropriate level of thoughtfulness. Your point that there are criteria which are being applied is a useful contribution, but you should have expanded on this in your original comment, as it was not clear that you were reframing the discussion in this way.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

kortilla wrote: post #505
strogonoff wrote: post #376

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Not talking about politics is itself a political position (in favor of status quo).

No it’s not. It’s having discipline to not pollute unrelated conversations with your politics. I am very against the status quo but I don’t complain about it to a bunch of anonymous usernames on a forum focused on technology. You can believe something without proselytizing.

> having discipline to not pollute unrelated conversations with your politics

Discipline isn’t found in hiding. Someone who cannot discuss politics without polluting conversations isn’t disciplined, they’re unpracticed in conversing and thinking through their views.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by bitexploder »

nindalf wrote: post #652
franktankbank wrote: post #553

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Raw milk is delicious, my ancestors have been drinking it for millennia.

Milk is my main drink. I don't drink beer or wine, it's mostly just plain milk for me. And while there is a substantial taste difference based on the % of fat, I have never seen a difference in taste between pasteurised and non-pasteurised. I actually bought a bottle of raw milk from a farmer just to try it. No negative effects, but it just tasted insipid compared to 5.4% fat milk I can get at the supermarket. People…

What the cows eat matters for how milk tastes too. Cows can get sick. Udders can get infections. Milking processes (machinery) and its ease of cleaning can vary. Bacteria is everywhere. Pasteurization is a cheap, effective and has no real drawbacks. This whole raw milk thing is just silly and has become political for some silly reason.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by bluGill »

nindalf wrote: post #652
franktankbank wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Raw milk is delicious, my ancestors have been drinking it for millennia.

Milk is my main drink. I don't drink beer or wine, it's mostly just plain milk for me. And while there is a substantial taste difference based on the % of fat, I have never seen a difference in taste between pasteurised and non-pasteurised. I actually bought a bottle of raw milk from a farmer just to try it. No negative effects, but it just tasted insipid compared to 5.4% fat milk I can get at the supermarket. People…

I think the main difference is fresh. When I was in high school I stayed with a dairy farmer who brought in a jug of milk from the tank for breakfast after milking the cows. After that I can't drink regular milk.

Pasteurization does affect taste though. Around me there are two different dairies, one does regular pasteurization and one does vat pasteurization and I can tell the difference. There is ultra pasteurization which is just gross. I've never put unpasteurized head to head against equally fresh pasteurized though, and given what I now know I'm not going to.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by goku12 »

cantrecallmypwd wrote: post #359
4ndrewl wrote: post #296

To the "I wish HN would stay out of politics" crew. You can stay out of politics, but politics will always come and find you.

Yep. It's also true of people who think they can simply move out of the US and that "solves" the problem too. America's problems are still (almost) everyone's problems too.

True. But it's much less of a problem outside. For example, does the gun culture in the US affect the rest of the world? It sure does. You can guess where most of the illegal weapons come from. But we rarely even think about getting shot while at school or on our way to the groceries.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by bluGill »

Nihilartikel wrote: post #669
franktankbank wrote: post #553

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Raw milk is delicious, my ancestors have been drinking it for millennia.

I'd consider drinking raw milk only if I was on a first name basis with the cow that produced it. Otherwise I would at least demand it be fermented into kefir so the food microbes can muscle out the bad.

That won't make a difference. Bacteria is something you cannot see and so you have no idea what is on/in the cow.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by bluGill »

numpad0 wrote: post #598
franktankbank wrote: post #553

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Raw milk is delicious, my ancestors have been drinking it for millennia.

not everyone's ancestors

Only about 1/3rd of the world. However by coincidence fluency in English correlates high with ability to drink milk as an adult.
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