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J6 wasn't a protest
The court seems to disagree. None of them were charged with insurrection.
weird. they didn't charge leaders of the confederate states of america with insurrection either (aka the civil war)
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It wasn’t America's principles that made it the world leader at the time—it was the fact that, unlike other major powers, it emerged from the world wars largely unscathed. Both peace settlements following the wars were widely criticized as unstable and unlikely to last, and they didn't.
> Both peace settlements following the wars were widely criticized as unstable and unlikely to last, and they didn't. Do you mean that "the" post-WWII peace settlement didn't last? It seems to have worked very well. > It wasn’t America's principles that made it the world leader at the time—it was the fact that, unlike other major powers, it emerged from the world wars largely unscathed. That certainly played a big ro…
No, war by proxies is not peace.
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#743Earlier quoted context omitted.
They started this tactic of "They're bad dudes trust us don't need a trial" during the Bush administration and many many people pointed out this would come to our shores soon, and it did and it's here again.
In the end it all comes back to the PATRIOT Act and GWOT
Even more so Citizens United and Reganism.
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#744If I were to share this article with some loved ones, they would say the press deserves it for all the fake news and unfair treatment of the current administration. As for the signal aspect, the last discussion I was a part of devolved into “ MI6 did it to make trump’s team look bad”. There is some bogus ‘news’ article to back this up. I don’t know how we got here, but it’s devastating and scary.
Stupid people got unfettered access to the internet. Essentially, this is all Steve Job's fault.
Actually Steve Jobs, in an interview, strongly argued against a wild west internet and called for "authoritative news organs" iirc. It was on YT a few years ago, may still be there.
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#745As a European for decades in the US, it is the first time in my life that I feel fear for expressing my opinions. Ps does HN offer the capability of completely deleting the account and all of the comments ?
I mule my account every few years. Just post something super-offensive to get banned and then create a new account.
We have no idea about YCombinator's retention of IP addresses and logs.
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#746> many GOP lawmakers are now heeding their leadership’s advice to stay away from local town hall meetings and avoid the wrath of constituent I hope the opposition party realizes what an opportunity this is
We need a new political party not beholden to a certain lobby. From my perspective (which spans decades) this has been a (somewhat barely) disguised pas de deux.
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Focus your energy on the clear abuses of power by the current regime, instead of hypotheticals and edge cases in the system you once had. The US had a great (not perfect!) system. Free speech with reasonable limits, set by laws and regulations. And helped by a certain amount trust in the system. When power hungry people, who started abusing the system with misinformation campaigns, ran into those laws and regulations…
That is not true, people championed others to be removed from all kinds of platforms. I am not inclined to defend any stupid opinion, but especially on topics like the pandemic people were cheering on others getting banned. There is a political cost to this and that does extend to people having little ground to criticise the current US administration on these grounds.
Free speech doesn't give you the right to a megaphone on every platform you see fit. It just protects you from government prosecution. As a moderator, I also ban people who are just obnoxious and loud without any substance.
Right now, the government is suppressing free speech according to the very definition of that term.
How can you not see the difference.
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#748Earlier quoted context omitted.
Focus your energy on the clear abuses of power by the current regime, instead of hypotheticals and edge cases in the system you once had. The US had a great (not perfect!) system. Free speech with reasonable limits, set by laws and regulations. And helped by a certain amount trust in the system. When power hungry people, who started abusing the system with misinformation campaigns, ran into those laws and regulations…
That current regime is using the exact same machinery that you're advocating for to suppress freedoms, and it seems to me that your solution is to make it more ripe for abuse. This doesn't make any sense. And no, we're not talking about "hypotheticals" here when the abuse is happening right before our eyes. Laws and regulations aren't a magical solution. You have to think about how they can be abused, or they'll be w…
Even the laws claiming to protect children had all sorts of due processes.
But laws or no laws, the biggest problem is that laws and regulations don't count for the current regime. There's nothing to protect the layman from your government with this conman in charge. Consumer protections have eroded, criminals have been set free and people have been abducted.
Rules don't matter anymore. Nobody trusts your government. It's a jungle now.
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> Ah so your sense of civics is that easy to depart with? I don't really agree with the sentiment of "be nice to people doing stupid stuff" that seems to permeate around here, so it's not really a "gotcha" to point out that I'm being a judgmental asshole. > I take it you think no one could judge you for your position? I don't give a shit if people judge me. I have my opinions. You're free to think that position is st…
> I don't really agree with the sentiment of "be nice to people doing stupid stuff" What is your goal? > I don't give a shit if people judge me. I have my opinions. People would hear more of them if they weren't so coarse. Be generous. You'd might be surprised what you're missing.
I don’t really have a “goal”.
I don’t even know that I agree with the conclusion that people would hear more of my opinions if I were nicer, but even if I grant that, I also don’t particularly care if my opinions have reach.
I was going to type up a lecture to why I think it’s dumb to not vote, but I am sure you’ve heard it before, and frankly even if I had the most eloquent and amazing argument ever I doubt that it would change your opinion on this, so I can’t really be bothered.