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Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by varsketiz »

paul7986 wrote: post #528
famouswaffles wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There are maybe a few hundred people in the world who viscerally understand what's coming. Most are at DeepMind / OpenAI / Anthropic / X but some are on the outside. You have to be able to forecast the aggregate effect of rapid algorithmic improvement, aggressive investment in building RL environments for iterative self-improvement, and many tens of billions already committed to building data centers. Either we're a…

My prediction is a Apple loses to Open AI who releases a H.E.R. (like the movie) like phone. She is seen on your lock screen a la a Facetime call UI/UX and she can be skinned to look like whoever; i.e. a deceased loved one. She interfaces with AI Agents of companies, organizations, friends, family, etc to get things done for you (or to learn from..what's my friends bday his agent tells yours) automagically and she is…

Very insightful take on agents interacting with agents thanks for sharing.

Re H.E.R phone - I see people already trying to build this type of product, one example: https://www.aphoneafriend.com

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

andy_ppp wrote: post #672
amelius wrote: post #665

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I would love for Oracle to use AI to put their entire legal department out of work, though.

So you want them to be infinitely more litigious? A serious question though, what does happen when AIs are filing lawsuits autonomously on behalf of the powerful, the courts clearly won't be able to cope unless you have AI powered courts too? None of how these monumental changes will work has been thought through at all, let's hope AI is smart enough to tell us what to do...

I'm envisioning a future where there's a centralized "legal exchange", much like the NYSE, where high speed machines file micro-ligation billions of times faster than any human can, which is decided equally quickly, an unrelenting back and forth buzz of lawsuits and payouts as every corporation wages constant automated legal battle. Small businesses are consumed in seconds, destroyed by the filing of a million computerized grievances while the major players end up in a sort of zero-sum stalemate, where money is constantly moving, but it never shifts the balance of power.

... has anyone ever written a book about this? If not, I think I'm gonna call dibs.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by ajmurmann »

CSSer wrote: post #622
deknos wrote: post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

For less than this same price tag, we could’ve eliminated student loan debt for ~20 million Americans. It would in turn open a myriad number of opportunities, like owning a home and/or feeling more comfortable starting a family. It would stimulate the economy in predictable ways. Instead we gave a small number of people all of this money for a moonshot in a state where they squabble over who’s allowed to use which ba…

Or, prices of houses would go up even more because we still aren't allowing supply to increase and people having more money doesn't change that.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by JohnPrine »

CSSer wrote: post #622
deknos wrote: post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

For less than this same price tag, we could’ve eliminated student loan debt for ~20 million Americans. It would in turn open a myriad number of opportunities, like owning a home and/or feeling more comfortable starting a family. It would stimulate the economy in predictable ways. Instead we gave a small number of people all of this money for a moonshot in a state where they squabble over who’s allowed to use which ba…

I'm starting to think there's no difference between this website and reddit

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by dpflan »

Last time, in 2016, SoftBank announced a $50B investment in the US...what were the results of that? Granted, SB announced an up-selled $100B investment earlier, is this not similar in "announcement"?

""" SoftBank’s CEO Masayoshi Son has previously made large-scale investment commitments in the US off the back of Trump winning a presidential election. In 2016, Son announced a $50 billion SoftBank investment in the US, alongside a similar pledge to create 50,000 jobs in the country.

...

However, as reported by Reuters, it’s unclear if the new jobs pledged back in 2016 ever came to fruition and questions have been raised about how SoftBank, which had $29 billion in cash on its balance sheet according to its September earnings report, might fund the investment. """

- https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/softbank-pledges-...

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by mattlutze »

siva7 wrote: post #729
mattlutze wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ellison should be nowhere near this: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip... The man has the moral system of a private prison and the money to build one.

> "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on," Let's be honest. He isn't wrong. I'd rather live in a society with zero crime than what we have now.

There's a few that have tried to implement this, and I want to live in none of them.

The US will fare no better if it walks down this path, and honestly will likely fare worse for it's cultural obsession with individualism over community.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by YinglingHeavy »

siva7 wrote: post #729
mattlutze wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ellison should be nowhere near this: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip... The man has the moral system of a private prison and the money to build one.

> "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on," Let's be honest. He isn't wrong. I'd rather live in a society with zero crime than what we have now.

You stop abuse in this country, particularly of children, and you start having zero violent crime a decade later.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by actualwitch »

JohnPrine wrote: post #744
CSSer wrote: post #622

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For less than this same price tag, we could’ve eliminated student loan debt for ~20 million Americans. It would in turn open a myriad number of opportunities, like owning a home and/or feeling more comfortable starting a family. It would stimulate the economy in predictable ways. Instead we gave a small number of people all of this money for a moonshot in a state where they squabble over who’s allowed to use which ba…

I'm starting to think there's no difference between this website and reddit

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by ajmurmann »

ozim wrote: post #646
deknos wrote: post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

Money doesn't fix stuff. You need good will people and good will people don't need that much money.

More importantly, money, at global scale, doesn't solve scarcity issues. If there are 100 apples and 120 people making sure everyone has a lot of money doesn't magically create 20 more apples. It just raises the price of apples. Building an apple orchard creates apples. Stargate is people betting that they are building a phenomenal apple orchard. I'm not sure they will and an worried the apple orchard will poison us all but unlike me these people are putting their money where their mouth is and had thus larger inventive to figure out what they are doing.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by [deleted] »

spacechild1 wrote: post #732
mattlutze wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ellison should be nowhere near this: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip... The man has the moral system of a private prison and the money to build one.

> "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on," Ellison said, describing what he sees as the benefits from automated oversight from AI and automated alerts for when crime takes place. Wow! It is genuinely frightening that these people should be in control of our future!

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