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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by nla »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #575
SoftTalker wrote: post #441

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This is the big reason he lost in such a landslide. The economy was awful. Good man, but a terrible president.

Even a president can't just snap their fingers and fix inflation overnight. We're going through the exact same thing right now. it was a miracle enough that they brought down the crazy inflation from COVID and stopped another recession. It's a shame that it seemed like that remission reversed right before election season, though.

Carter created the inflation.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by klardotsh »

silisili wrote: post #180
UncleOxidant wrote: post #133

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When you compare Carter with the guy who's going to take office next month it shows how far we've fallen as a country. The previous era was already passing since about 2016, but with the death of Carter it seems like that era has died with him and it just feels very depressing.

While I agree with the general sentiment, I think the same could have been said regardless of which candidate won. It feels like the left moved left, the right moved right, and instead of catering to moderates, threatening them to pick a side. Said another way, I think a young Jimmy Carter type candidate would have wiped the floor with either side this election.

Maybe the left, as in those of us with relatively progreasive views, moved left. But as a result of that, no major party actually reflects outlr views. The Democratic party is not a progressive party, and spends almost all of its effort courting centrist and center-right voters, not sure what you mean about moderates not being catered to. They are, at the cost of completely alienating and disenfranchising the actual left.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by edanm »

siltcakes wrote: post #740
edanm wrote: post #727

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> Pro-Israel, as far as the government is, is inherently an anti-two-state-solution position. I'm definitely pro-Israel and anti-the-current-Israeli-government. I think terminology-wise, if I said I were anti-US, most would not equate it to being anti-Biden or anti-Trump, but rather anti-the-country-itself. So I think saying "anti-Israel" when you mean "anti-the-current-Israeli-government" is a bad way to phrase it.…

You didn’t mention Nakba which is the core issue. Israel cannot exist on stolen land and be pro-peace. It really is as simple as that.

Since most Palestinians consider all the land to be stolen land, especially in reference to the Nakba, you're pretty much saying Israel cannot exist.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by siltcakes »

edanm wrote: post #743
siltcakes wrote: post #740

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You didn’t mention Nakba which is the core issue. Israel cannot exist on stolen land and be pro-peace. It really is as simple as that.

Since most Palestinians consider all the land to be stolen land, especially in reference to the Nakba, you're pretty much saying Israel cannot exist.

Yes, that’s what I’m saying. I support a single Palestinian state based on the human rights violations that went into illegally constructing the Israeli state.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by maratc »

eesmith wrote: post #626
maratc wrote: post #259

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I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear: I’m not advocating for this viewpoint (nor against it, actually); I’m just explaining how this “line of thinking” usually goes, since that was a question from GP.

To my understanding, the costs involved in the Soviet response to SDI were small, and had very little effect on national spending, so I don't see how that's important enough to mention. Surely the falling price of oil was more significant, yes? I'll bet the Soviet involvement in Afghanistan was also more expensive. Since gadders' comment is flagged, I don't know the fuller context.

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/8cnm73/did_r...

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by MerManMaid »

bluGill wrote: post #387
jdewerd wrote: post #174

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Oh, he only busted the Great Depression, won WWII, built half of the infrastructure that we keep kicking the expiration date on, and negotiated 80% of the beneficial fine print in your employment contract. Don't you think he could have done a bit more? My list would be: 1. FDR, 2. Carter, 3. Teddy. Carter because he sacrificed his career to fix inflation (Republican attempts to rewrite history notwithstanding), and T…

He didn't end the depression. it clearly continued right to wwii. You can dabate how things might have been if he had been allowed all his ideas (some of which were as undemocratic as what trump wants)

He steered us to join the war which did end the depression.

Whether it be the new deal or non-isolationist policy, his direction led us out of the great depression which started before his presidency and ended before he died.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by johnnyanmac »

nla wrote: post #741
johnnyanmac wrote: post #575

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Even a president can't just snap their fingers and fix inflation overnight. We're going through the exact same thing right now. it was a miracle enough that they brought down the crazy inflation from COVID and stopped another recession. It's a shame that it seemed like that remission reversed right before election season, though.

Carter created the inflation.

In the same way Biden created the inflation, yes. Never mind the huge event that happened 4-5 years prior.

The economy doesn't turn on a dime.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by ashoeafoot »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #715
GuardianCaveman wrote: post #646

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I wrote out a snarky response based off what I understood and then I did more research and he had a big impact. This is a better article to link to in my opinion though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter%27s_engagement_wi...

These articles aren't painting the condemning picture I think you are thinking they do. If someone becomes president, and a foreign government is already falling apart, and you talk about options and what might become the new government, does that automatically make it your fault? The Shah wasn't a saint, and kind of created the situation. If you want to place blame for Iran, it might need to go further back to Eisen…

it was utopia. everywhere on the planet that was not the west. that cultural stagnation and backwardness could attract parasitic imperialism , if you hike at the foot of the exponential mountains , who could have known .. certainly not the culture that had all the greek scripts and did nothing with them but slavery and local imperialism. That history of half truths doesn't hold water anymore. We have colonized countries colonize the middle east now. Get new material or get of the stage .

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by redwall_hp »

WalterBright wrote: post #158
bdndndndbve wrote: post #125

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FDR doesn't make the cut?

FDR stripped 110,000 Americans of their property and herded them into concentration camps.

This includes real estate that is worth many billions now. The west coast was heavily farmed by Asian Americans, who lost their property to people who are still profiting from the theft to this day.

The family behind Kokuho Rose, a popular California sushi rice strain, was affected by this. While they didn't lose the land in the end, it was still stripped of anything of value and left to decay by their neighbors while they were in the camp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koda_Farms

A Japanese American has also been credited with kicking off the California wine industry, and similarly had his land stolen during that era.

https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20221113-kanaye-nagasawa-...

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

data_maan wrote: post #609
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #306

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> like the left moved left, the right moved right, The only leftist pandering that Kamala offered was getting rid of taxes on tips (something that Trump offered first, actually), she seemed fairly center, or even a bit right of center (putting off far lefties) as Democrat presidential candidates are usually these days. Trump, likewise, didn't really veer right, he actually veered a bit left in offering to lower price…

> well, except for the ultra nationalism and also excepting the fact that he wants to end abortion, be a dictator, end elections, and drill babay drill. Other than that he's very left. Very.

I just don’t see the conservative and liberal labels being useful at this point. Trump is a populist who focuses on nationalism, he says what his base wants to hear. My main beef with him is that he is irresponsible and petulant, I still vote for a mix of conservative and liberal candidates actually (voting from Seattle, everyone I voted for this November lost).
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