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Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Yeah, AFAIK to setup profiles you have to run: firefox --ProfileManager And then to use them you have to start firefox e.g. : firefox -P Very few casual users (nor even most technical users) start Firefox from a command line, and setting up shortcuts for these is also a step that most users won't do. The support for profiles is there, it's just hard to use in the context of a GUI desktop.

can't you just go to about:profiles?

Wow. I never knew. Thanks!

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

#742

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Maybe they shouldn't have added the Pocket links if they didn't want the vitriol. Tracking or not (I'm still not 100% convinced that they're not), it doesn't look good when your browser greets you with that stuff. It's like entering a neighborhood and seeing a "checks cashed" store.

Thank you for providing an excellent example of what sort of comments contributed to our current situation.

Sure, instead of blaming the people who added the feature, blame the people who don't like it.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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I think people like to take the easy way out of declaring those with a different mindset "evil." Everyone is the hero of their own story, and honestly there are multiple incompatible-but-internally-consistent models of how technologies can and should work. I think it's more useful to recognize these things than to write off a competing mindset (especially when the competing mindset is in a position of power). Conside…

> Consider incentives from Google's standpoint. Google sells ads. They want to kill ad blockers. This is how. > Weiss's viewpoint is completely reasonable Chasing diversions around in circles is not neutral. Someone wins by default. Diversions exist and they exist to tempt you into poor attention allocation decisions. This is not about safety, security, and providing an excellent experience. It's about ads and making…

It's extremely likely it's about both. It can be both about making it hard to skip ads on YouTube and about making it hard for somebody to replace human users with automated devices.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Not sure how exactly ad fraud works but why this WEI supposed to even prevent it? There are many tools that allow to control your mouse and keyboard programatically like pyautogui [0]. Will OS check if such python lib is installed or script running in the background? Then those that doing ad fraud will move to programmable board as BLE keyboard/mouse/hid. Even microbit can can be programmed as BLE HID device [1]. Add…

> Will OS check if such python lib is installed

Most computers come with a trusted platform module which increasingly runs more and more services related to media handling. On modern Macs the T2 chip is an A8 or A9, meaning it has the same power of a modern iPhone and handles everything from device input (mouse & keyboard), to webcam decoding to media decoding. When you watch netflix on a modern macbook, the video buffer that is displayed is actually a shared memory buffer from the T2 chip, which the main SoC can't actually see. If you take a screenshot you will see that the screen stays black, since audio and video come purely from the chip.

You could run a Browsers Renderer in there and you would never notice.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

#745

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4% of global browser usage can be described in many ways (defeated, miserable, collapse compared to the past etc) but it definitely is not dead and is one of few developed browsers.

If we're arguing about whether 4% global usage constitutes dead, then yes, it's truly dead and Mozilla is completely irrelevant. Even Microsoft is more important these days (again).

> If we're arguing about whether 4% global usage constitutes dead, then yes, it's truly dead

I am posting from maintained Mozilla Firefox.

That would be impossible if FF would be dead.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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For the tech illiterate recommend Safari. For tech people, appeal to their privileged position and the importance of defending the web by choosing any other browser (or Safari). Both users can keep Chrome installed as a fallback - that will help with convincing too.

And drop my Ublock origin, bypass paywall clean, etc? Hell no.

> Ublock origin

At least there is Adguard.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Thank you for providing an excellent example of what sort of comments contributed to our current situation.

Sure, instead of blaming the people who added the feature, blame the people who don't like it.

And now we have WEI, thanks to the constant nitpicking and anti-evangelism from people like you.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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It's small, but here's a real actionable item that you can do to help: Put a gentle "Use Firefox" (or any other non-Chromium-based browser) message on your website. It doesn't have to be in-your-face, just something small. I've taken my own advice and added it to my own website: https://geeklaunch.io/ (It only appears on Chromium-based browsers.) We can slowly turn the tide, little by little.

For people who want to put something like this, here is the code snippet: This website is designed for Firefox , a web browser that respects your privacy. if (window.chrome) { document.getElementById('browser').className = ''; } Class .hidden must hide the element somehow, in this case I do: .hidden { display: none; }

I would make a few changes:

1. Instead of using CSS to hide it by default, make the script to only add it (perhaps by document.write, or alternatively by adding text to an empty or ) if Chrome is detected. (This way it will be compatible even if CSS is disabled (or not implemented).)

2. Instead of Firefox, mention something else such as Line Mode Browser (it has some features I had not seen in other web browsers, but which I think are good and would like to have), or some other uncommon one which doesn't have Google and Mozilla etc, or more than one.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

#749

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While I like this idea, starting from the foot of "CCP-propagandized" based on the tiktok service hosted by Oracle in the US is an amazing way to start off on a Nazi infested foot. Anti-communism and fascism are historically in lock-step. No one is going to use the services if you basically create web4 stormfront.

FWIW, I'm certainly not advocating for any kind of racism, or any kind of philosophies that support the use of force to achieve any political, social, or economic goals, so fascism would be firmly out were I the webmaster.

> any kind of philosophies that support the use of force to achieve any political, social, or economic goals

> so fascism would be firmly out

This goes to prove my point, that there's a gross misunderstanding of history in the general population.

Fascism doesn't use force to get political power, it gains political power through reactionary ideas based on false assumptions that leads to a fascist regime where the violence then occurs on the "other".

It comes through ideas such as "protecting your family", "returning to tradition", and other feel good sayings that mean almost nothing. Think of the phrase "Woke", taken from black community vernacular and twisted to mean almost nothing at all. It describes everything and anything that can make a conservative person upset, from queer people to mental health professionals.

Despite meaning nothing, oh boy has it taken root. Beer is woke, tv is woke, the black guy in star wars is woke for existing. And oh man look how easy it is to take root and now millions of people live their life by the "anti-woke" lifestyle. What does that lifestyle mean? idk, buying shes just to light them on fire, i guess.

This is why communist regimes had gulags. Fascism takes root through reactionary(meaning feelz over realz) ideas, typically against change. A revolution is something hard fought, why would they allow it to be derided by some idiots who miss when they owned all their neighbors land?

What I'm trying to say is one end of the spectrum is at a huge advantage when it comes to free speech environments, for the fascist does not need to argue in good faith. Going by "philosophies that support the use of force..." will get you a lot of a certain group.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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> The web stopped being open when W3C accepted EME The web was more open when to play those videos you had to use a proprietary Flash or Silverlight plugin?

> The web was more open when to play those videos you had to use a proprietary Flash or Silverlight plugin? That's what you are claiming with your sarcasm hidden behind a rhetorical question, I've never said anything about Flash or Silverlight in the comment you've answered to. There is absolutely no difference from a conceptual perspective between EME implementation and proprietary plugins, EME is necessarily based…

Flash wasn't just DRM though. Incorporating video and animations into the web proper through browser was a win for the web despite the bitter pill of not ridding ourselves of DRM.
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