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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by mlyle » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 4:31 AM UTC

exikyut wrote: post #733

Aeolun wrote: post #672

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Why is anyone interested in HDR? 16M colors should be enough for anyone. I do have minor issues when scaling my 4K screen to a lower resolution, and starting a fullscreen game, but that’s about it.

I personally hate the color banding you get from things like big drop shadow radiuses in webpages. Look at them from juuust the wrong angle and... war flashbacks to Windows 3.1 in 256 colors. I'm not sure if newer tech has better viewing angles than my old (but not that old) IPS LCD, but having having greater color depth to represent color fades with finer progression, and having more pixels to spread the fade across…

> ~"1.07 billion colors" though? Ehhh, I can't deny that does feel like overkill, but I'm honestly not even sure if there's a way to fix the above problem with a smaller colorspace.

Given that we're starting with 24 bits / 16.7 million, we're just up 6 bits more.. or 2 more bits per color... so a purely red gradient would have 4x as many steps.

And we're using some of that space to get "whiter than white" -- so that the brightest white in photos/videos can be brighter than the normal value of white. https://www.lifewire.com/how-apple-devices-show-hdr-brighter...

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Godel_unicode » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 4:45 AM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #713

Godel_unicode wrote: post #710

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I don't see how you can possibly make any meaningful conclusions about relative probability from this thread.

It is not from this thread, but my experience over the last 15 to 20 years. I have seen lots and lots of people, including myself, close MacBook lids, toss it in a bag, and start walking. But I do not see that with non MacBooks. It was so notable to me that it led me to decide to look into switching to MacBook Airs.

And you believe your experience is statistically significant.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by 0des » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 4:56 AM UTC

sillysaurusx wrote: post #631

So has anyone's bag actually caught fire due to this? If so, can we put it in a Dell commercial? Just grab any old Dell advertisement stock footage and dub it with fire alarm noises and a spouse yelling in the distance "honey, your room caught fire again!"

I had a backpack melt because of this. There is a hole through and through, about the size of a half dollar.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by manwe150 » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 5:19 AM UTC

chii wrote: post #696

Firehawke wrote: post #694

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They tried that. We're all suffering because a large chunk of the user base refused to be responsible on patches. Of course, now Microsoft has made it even worse by having routinely broken patches since they no longer do proper in-house testing. End result? Damned if you do patch, damned if you don't. Windows 10 has been a nightmare in terms of patch quality.

> because a large chunk of the user base refused to be responsible on patches A large number of users were not patching because they believe they didn't need to, and they weren't educated well enough. Raising the competency of the users is part of the responsibility.

A large number of users, such as myself, also probably think that Microsoft could fix some of the reasons that make a full reboot necessary so often.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by terrywang » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 5:25 AM UTC

fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

I was given a Latitude 5300 2-in-1 running Windows 10 by a client for a short term project last year, there were multiple `big bro` installed on it so I didn't bother to tinker it much other than requesting local admin access so as to install WSL2 and Ubuntu in order to build a productive environment to get things done (implement a flavour of K8s distribution in fully air-gapped environment). BIOS is password protected so I can't even run USB Live Linux distros (to test performance of the hardware or play around).

Some interesting observations:

  1. fan spins crazily for no reason randomly, and the laptop seemed to be always heated (in comparison with MBP and other laptops running Linux).

  2. it can become overly hot and fan can spin even if it was in sleep! This was scary so after seeing it once I tend to power if off whenever finishing using it. Some times it didn't wake up, giving a QR code (BSOD...)

  3. the not-too-bad specs failed to pump out expected performance (so sluggish), in comparison with similar hardware running Linux x86_64 or macOS (not surprised)

NOTE: Feeling lucky that my kids school allows BYOD, simply picked M1 MBA for both to avoid the Windows debt (in most cases hardware is not to blame, I've used many Dell Latitude models with positive impression).

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by no1lives4ever » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 5:38 AM UTC

radicalbyte wrote: post #485

fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Well my MBP 16 and before that my original 13" rMBP both did unscheduled wake ups and ending up super hot when being transported in my backpack. With the MBP 16, it took me a few days to detect the unscheduled wake ups, setup logging to now show private and then debug and fix the issue.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 5:42 AM UTC

BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #704

myself248 wrote: post #670

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A machine doing something I didn't tell it to is insane. I am the user. I use the machine, not the other way around.

The hardware and software making the decision to wake the device isn't necessarily privy to concepts like "user" or "intent"; At that layer, it's all just signals. Someone has to design the system to interpret what those signals/events are supposed to lead to (e.g. should connecting a cable to a closed laptop wake it up? What if the thing on the other end of that cable is a mouse, or a storage device, or a charger, o…

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by lazide » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 5:43 AM UTC

BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #704

myself248 wrote: post #670

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A machine doing something I didn't tell it to is insane. I am the user. I use the machine, not the other way around.

The hardware and software making the decision to wake the device isn't necessarily privy to concepts like "user" or "intent"; At that layer, it's all just signals. Someone has to design the system to interpret what those signals/events are supposed to lead to (e.g. should connecting a cable to a closed laptop wake it up? What if the thing on the other end of that cable is a mouse, or a storage device, or a charger, o…

That is called ‘poor quality system design’ - it isn’t a feature.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by userbinator » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 5:46 AM UTC

tablespoon wrote: post #515

> All newer Dell laptops now use the Microsoft Modern Standby. So let me guess: "modern" here is indicates a shitty new thing that doesn't work as well as the old thing. ...after further reading, yep: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/dev... > On occasion, the system stays in the active mode (with the screen off) for a longer interval of time. These longer active intervals occur for a variety o…

So let me guess: "modern" here is indicates a shitty new thing that doesn't work as well as the old thing.

Funny how the software industry has managed to turn the connotation of "modern" for me from "neutral/slightly positive" to "definite negative" in around a decade.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by jadbox » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 5:47 AM UTC

zeven7 wrote: post #552

ypcx wrote: post #449

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Writing this from my 2019 XPS 15 7590 i9 with (extended) 64 GB RAM. The OLED display quality is still the best any laptop can offer, but that's where it ends. Had countless issues with sleep, reboots after being "killed in sleep" for going over Windows sleep "battery drain limit" (can be increased in registry but hey), wifi/bt issues after wake-up, short battery endurance, fan noise (mitigated by undervolting w/ Thro…

I'll chime in as well from my 2020 XPS 17. This issue is incredibly frustrating. It's worth switching over, however I don't really know where to go for a premium laptop. I'm not very interested in a Mac. HP and Lenovo have given me tons of problems in the past (which is why I switched to Dell). From this thread it seems like several other vendors have similar problems to this Dell one. What options are there?

These days the Microsoft laptops (v4) are surprisingly fantastic machines. Great screen, battery life, trackpad, etc. I've owned so many laptops, but MS seems to have surpassed even Dell is net build quality imho.