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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by foxhop »

timbit42 wrote: post #409
foxhop wrote: post #244

I'm pissed, I knew this was coming. Google and "Alphabet" are bastards. Will this be my last video hosted on YouTube? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUYrN0o-cfk | Hardneck Garlic Planted For High Yield. YouTube doesn't give me any network effect anyways (all my views are from external sources), I was just trying to do good in the world. What tech should I look at for self hosted streaming on Digital Ocean spaces and…

https://lbry.tv/

Tried it a few years back and last week, both times my video loads and then stops buffering after like 10 seconds. I'm likely doing something wrong but, do I need a dedicated server to seed my content?

Otherwise it seems busted.

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Post by foxhop »

nbzso wrote: post #553
foxhop wrote: post #244

I'm pissed, I knew this was coming. Google and "Alphabet" are bastards. Will this be my last video hosted on YouTube? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUYrN0o-cfk | Hardneck Garlic Planted For High Yield. YouTube doesn't give me any network effect anyways (all my views are from external sources), I was just trying to do good in the world. What tech should I look at for self hosted streaming on Digital Ocean spaces and…

Question: Is Linode Bucket a viable option for video file hosting?

I don't know but I also use linode so that is an option if you find out.

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Post by foxhop »

neurostimulant wrote: post #726
foxhop wrote: post #292

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They are not charging me for storage, they are putting ads on my videos with no way to opt-out. Ads of the like that I have _NO_ desire to be affiliated with, ads for pollutants like "weed killers" and "insecticides". I don't care if they use fancy algorithms for transcoding (CPU cycles) or bandwidth costs, or storage, that was the deal. I ship to them and they host it without ads. I did this for the "promise" of net…

You can use ffmpeg to convert your video to HLS/Dash format and host it behind your run-of-the-mill nginx webserver as static contents. Then on your webpages, just use hls.js [0] to embed those uploaded videos in a webpages. hls.js will handle adaptive bitrate automatically, so the videos should load pretty fast for your visitor, though probably not as fast as youtube since they have edge servers everywhere, but stil…

Thanks, I think I'll do a combination of this with a fallback to downloadable MP4 and inline video tags for clients without Javascript.

You say to convert to HLS/Dash, does hls.js support both? Pros cons of one other the other? Make sense to do both?

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Post by jefftk »

Retric wrote: post #737
jefftk wrote: post #582

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> I would be fine if google disabled formerly free videos until someone agreed to monetizing them That seems worse? All these videos that I uploaded become inaccessible just because I'm not around to approve monetization? (Disclosure: I work for Google, speaking only for myself)

If I had explicitly removed monetization of a video then yes, I would prefer an explicit conformation of the change. If nothing else to avoid confusion.

It is not explicit: historically, videos were unmonetized by default

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Post by surge »

cableshaft wrote: post #4

I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

I was going to say, Vimeo directly targets the people that want video hosting, want to keep most of their rights and are willing to pay and have a more discerning or targetted audience. Just move to that.

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Post by 2pEXgD0fZ5cF »

Larrikin wrote: post #467
Corrado wrote: post #285

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I have to agree about the recommendation engine. I know there is a lot of interesting new content that I might be interested in uploaded every day, but for some reason it's recommending years old videos that I've already watched AND voted on. WTF?!

The recommendation engine was intentionally crippled because it was radicalizing people who were into conspiracy theories, militias, terroristic acts, etc. It sucks but I assume there's some work being done to get a new engine out without sending people down a rabbit hole.

For that I actually have a nice observation: I always clear my cookies and website data on browser quit, and never login into Youtube. Which means I get a pretty vanilla "recommendation" experience, additional tracking attempts from Google put aside.

Visiting youtube, I could swear that the recommendations Youtube is trying to shove my way only change after several weeks or sometimes even months, it is always the same 8 videos on top of the front page for very long periods.

It starts to get somewhat relevant after I watch something, but then it looks like their recommendation engine does nothing more than "Recommend to user x the n most popular videos of roughly the same category as the last video user x watched" with a little bit of shuffling 1-3 videos from a larger set between those, sometimes, and that appears to be it.

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Post by rektide »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #554
cableshaft wrote: post #4

I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

>So in that respect, it's kind of a shitty move by Google. 12 years of free video hosting with no ads and a platform for people to discover your videos is quite the deal. They always had to add ads at some point, hosting video, and the bandwidth and transcoding that goes with it, is incredibly expensive, not to mention the dev time going into creating such a massive platform. If you thought you could eat a free lunch…

> If you thought you could eat a free lunch forever... Well, I guess this is your rude awakening. But you honestly should have expected it.

just sucks & is such a Lucy pulling out the football move, that YouTube helps everyone & especially the very small folk, rises to meteoric heights/total monolopy, then won't let some small fry newcomers enjoy either an unbelievably modest revenue or give away an ad-free experience to their new watchers.

> The discovery feature of Youtube shouldn't be understated either.

100% a video monopoly. youtube has us, has us all.

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Post by bilbo0s »

leafmeal wrote: post #489
kllrnohj wrote: post #290

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I'd agree if and only if this was some drastic shift in policy, but it really isn't. The headline here is basically ad-supported platform shows ads. Ads have been super common on YouTube for years and years, so this isn't really a big change in overall expectations & experience. It's not an ad-free platform goes ad-supported situation where it was subsidized to kill off others before showing ads. More a small loophol…

I think what we're saying is compatible. Youtube isn't really doing anything new, just putting out more ads. They're able get away with it because they have a monopoly.

In my opinion, they don't really have a monopoly. They have plenty of competitors. In fact, the largest user generated video servers are under facebook control.

They didn't do it because they had a monopoly, they don't have a monopoly. It was more base than that. They did it because they wanted more money. Which is their right. I'm not complaining, but everyone's putting forth a great deal of high tone reasoning fro something that really is base venality at its root. They want more money. They believe they can get it even though they are not a monopoly. Even though Facebook is bigger. And even though their users will get mad.

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Post by ravenstine »

ravenstine wrote: post #401
opan wrote: post #396

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Newpipe is available from F-Droid and does not have a sign-in option. There's no Google account involved.

The APK from F-Droid has been pretty broken for the last month, and for some reason isn't getting updated. Anyone thinking of trying out F-Droid should just grab the latest release from the GitHub repo.

D'oh, I meant "trying out NewPipe".

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Post by leafmeal »

bilbo0s wrote: post #748
leafmeal wrote: post #489

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I think what we're saying is compatible. Youtube isn't really doing anything new, just putting out more ads. They're able get away with it because they have a monopoly.

In my opinion, they don't really have a monopoly. They have plenty of competitors. In fact, the largest user generated video servers are under facebook control. They didn't do it because they had a monopoly, they don't have a monopoly. It was more base than that. They did it because they wanted more money. Which is their right. I'm not complaining, but everyone's putting forth a great deal of high tone reasoning fro…

You're totally right, they want more money. I agree they don't have a perfect monopoly either. There are lots of other options.

The reality is, most of their customers aren't going anywhere. Consider all the times you use Youtube. Trying to find a music video, watching sports highlights, videos from your favourite creators. Can you switch to DailyMotion for all of that now? Are all of your creators posting their videos on Facebook? Even if they are, are the videos as easy to find and discover as they are on Youtube? For content creators, is there anywhere else they can share and expect to find the same kind of audience? Not really.

This is what I'm talking about when I say monopoly. It's true, there's other options. A creator can post their videos on Vimeo and host their own website to monetize, just like someone could have taken a horse and buggy instead of the new railroad. No one is forced to go by train, but doing it the old way is inefficient and expensive. n both cases they won't get the same bang for their buck.

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