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Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

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Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

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Post by xor1 »

DanBC wrote: post #582
xor1 wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I accept that it's off-topic and I don't dispute your decision to detach the thread. And I do appreciate the effort you put into moderating HN. But that entry linked by cbhl doesn't help his argument. I still think BPD is a valid concern, though. I'd really like to sincerely ask if you've had a run-in with it yet.

> I'd really like to sincerely ask if you've had a run-in with it yet. reply Yes, I've met many people with borderline personality disorder. I helped the English NHS create their KUF (Knowledge and Understanding Framework) for borderline personality disorder; I campaign for services to better meet the needs of people with BPD. What you're saying is ignorant bollocks. False accusations are not more common among people…

>Yes, I've met many people with borderline personality disorder.

How many of them do you know extremely well? As in you've spent time alone with them for hours or even days on end? Are you a mental health professional who has treated them as patients? You don't really know someone with borderline until you do either of these, IMO, no matter how much research or campaigning you do.

>False accusations are not more common among people with BPD, and false accusations are rare.

Have you done research into what it's like to go through a divorce with someone who has BPD? If you have, how can you post this with a straight face?

Do you yourself have BPD?

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

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Post by xor1 »

qb45 wrote: post #677
cbhl wrote: post #321

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Here's a resource: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Derailment

You surely could find a definition which isn't intermixed with propaganda.

People aren't really interested in discussing the issue or taking it seriously because it exposes a vulnerability in their platform, and they can't handle that. All of my comments have been flagged even after the thread was detached, and only one person followed through in a response chain. Shrug.

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

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Post by solidsnack9000 »

ig1 wrote: post #658

I feel deeply uncomfortable on 500 Startups positions on this ( https://500.co/making-changes-at-500/ ) for four reasons: 1) 500Startups considered these issues to be serious enough to remove McClure from his role but didn't publicly disclose this. This meant that he presumably could continue to meet female founders and other WIT while still appearing to be in a position of power. 2) A number of LPs in 500 have state…

Regarding (1), the disclosure could border on defamation. While "truth" is an affirmative defense to defamation, in this situation it would involve providing internal emails, texts (not necessarily internal), testimonials -- and verifying them.

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

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Post by DanBC »

xor1 wrote: post #742
qb45 wrote: post #677

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You surely could find a definition which isn't intermixed with propaganda.

People aren't really interested in discussing the issue or taking it seriously because it exposes a vulnerability in their platform, and they can't handle that. All of my comments have been flagged even after the thread was detached, and only one person followed through in a response chain. Shrug.

You're mistaken.

Your comments border on bigotry. People don't want to engage with someone who has a closed mind.

Pretty much everything you've said about borderline PD is fucking nonsense. There's no point responding to someone who so clearly demonstrates they don't know what they're talking about. None of the stuff you've mentioned has any link to borderline personality disorder.

If you're going to use mental health diagnoses you should 1) use the right one and 2) probably just not.

In general when you find yourself saying stuff like "the Jews did it" or "Asians can't drive" or "black people can't swim" or "borderlines ..." You should probably not bother.

For anyone who wants to learn more about what borderline personality disorder is I recommend "Meeting the Challenge, Making a Difference". http://www.crisiscareconcordat.org.uk/inspiration/meeting-th...

People with BPD experience significant stigma. Not just from the general population but from health professionals, including mental health professionals too.

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

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Post by Mz »

rokhayakebe wrote: post #127
Mz wrote: post #41

Saying anything, the women were warned, might lead to ostracism. The problem is that women are already being ostracized. When you can't get hired or you can't get VC money or you can't get business connections because the only time men will talk to you is to hit on you, you are already basically dead in the water as a business person. How do we get out of this dead end?

How do we get out of this dead end? Have women as your first few customers. Sell to Women initially. Only pitch to women VCs etc... When you get beyond a certain point hire men to deal with men you don't want to deal with.

First of all, MEN have the most money and power. You are literally telling me that the path to power is to limit myself to the dregs of society. Like that makes some kind of logical sense.

Second, the black community in the U.S. did this sort of thing. They had a thriving, well to do community in Greenwood, Oklahoma known as The Black Wall Street. The result: Whites burned it to the ground and then promptly began changing the laws in order to hamstring their ability to rebuild on the completely made up bullshit theory that their homes needed to meet a stricter fire code since it had burned to the ground. The ONLY reason it burned to the ground is because asshole whites set it on fucking fire.

http://www.ebony.com/black-history/the-destruction-of-black-...

So, no, this absolutely does not work. With a problem like this, you take the bull by the horns and address the root problem or it absolutely does NOT go away. You cannot tip toe around sexism, racism, etc. They are malignant forces that actively hunt down and target people. Politely avoiding them never, ever works.

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Post by Atheros »

robbrown451 wrote: post #220
svwc wrote: post #203

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A witness statement is evidence. Evidence isn't only things you can touch. A photograph isn't any more evidence than a witness statement is. A photograph isn't inherently more credible than a witness statement. You should consider the credibility of each piece of evidence regardless of what type of evidence it is. A statement made by a trustworthy employee should be taken seriously, "he said she said" is not a valid…

Sure but if it is denied by the other employee, you've got directly contradicting evidence. That's what "he said she said" is. I suppose the right word is "hard evidence." And yes I would say a photograph is, in general, more credible than a witness statement. I say this as someone who just went through a long trial (representing myself, while the other side had an attorney), with a lot of "he said she said", and whe…

"he said she said" is a third party statement. For example, "Bobby was talking to Veronica and he said she said that she doesn't like you."

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Post by monksy »

mattzito wrote: post #590
curun1r wrote: post #556

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Everyone keeps mistaking my meaning. I'm not trying to excuse the behavior or say that it's okay. I've repeatedly condemned it. But we need to decide what we want as a result of bringing this kind of behavior out into the open. Do we want to punish and ostracize the guilty or do we want to minimize the occurrence of this behavior going forward? If it's the former, then by all means get out your pitchforks and we can…

> Do we want to punish and ostracize the guilty Yup, that one. > or do we want to minimize the occurrence of this behavior going forward? False equivalence. I would imagine if VCs and investors get the message that if they hit on women they'll be fired, they'll stop doing it. > I'm not trying to blame the women who try to use their sexuality to their advantage or even those that engage in consensual relationships wit…

> Yup, that one.

So you're advocating for zero tolerence.

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Post by naiveattack »

Scroll down to the bottom comments for real personal anecdotes and experiences; and contrasting perspectives.

The bottom comments are important to complete this discussion if you are willing to entertain different thoughts.

I won't say more here, because I want people to actually be able to find this comment. Unlike the ones at the bottom.

Cheers.

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

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Post by DanBC »

xor1 wrote: post #741
DanBC wrote: post #582

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd really like to sincerely ask if you've had a run-in with it yet. reply Yes, I've met many people with borderline personality disorder. I helped the English NHS create their KUF (Knowledge and Understanding Framework) for borderline personality disorder; I campaign for services to better meet the needs of people with BPD. What you're saying is ignorant bollocks. False accusations are not more common among people…

>Yes, I've met many people with borderline personality disorder. How many of them do you know extremely well? As in you've spent time alone with them for hours or even days on end? Are you a mental health professional who has treated them as patients? You don't really know someone with borderline until you do either of these, IMO, no matter how much research or campaigning you do. >False accusations are not more comm…

I have lived with people with BPD. I work with people with BPD. I've spent time alone with people with BPD.

You appear to have gone through a messy divorce, but that doesn't give you any information about a large (one to two percent) part of the population.

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Post by acdha »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #709
samstave wrote: post #664

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You seem to have forgotten to post a link you intended... The scary thing is that btc is likely the traffickers currency of choice these days. How traceable are btc transactions wrt what types of goods or services are supposedly purchased with btc?

Untraceable if you use a mixer. Why not blacklist coins that have been mixed? It's not hard to figure out whether a coin has been tumbled through e.g. bitcoinfog. I think most of the resistance to this idea comes from people who've used Silk Road clones, most of which force you to mix your coins. But as bitcoin becomes more valuable and ransomware more prevalent, the argument that silk road is ethical and should ther…

“Untraceable” is a strong promise and I'd be surprised if traffic analysis couldn't de-anonymize effectively with the investigatory resources which a nation-state can muster.

The other key thing is that Bitcoin fails open: if anyone anywhere ever makes a mistake or is subverted the blockchain is a public record of every transaction which is hard to deny and can never be purged. I'm not sure anyone has the operational competency to make assurances in that environment.

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