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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by wingerlang »

devindotcom wrote: post #346
drinchev wrote: post #243

I wouldn't imagine a device like that to literally goes out without any decent content creation thought in mind. I'm sick of using my medium (now) screen iPad as a comment maker. I want to use it for development. I want my iPad to run WebStorm , SublimeText, GitHub. I want a jailbreak iOS that is capable of running a desktop Apps on that new desktop-performance iPad. This should've been the big news about the new big…

Seems to me the iPad was always intended as a content consumption device. Seems like your use case is much, much better served by an iPad Air - which costs about the same as an iPad Pro but is way more developer friendly. It's kind of like saying "man, they ought to sharpen these spoons up, I can't cut my food with them at all!" A little bit, anyway. At any rate they're starting down this road so your use case won't…

> Seems to me the iPad was always intended as a content consumption device.

But the whole video about this pro was that it was great as a content creation device. Drawing, image editing, multitasking and document creation etc.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by fsloth »

Spooky23 wrote: post #686
qyv wrote: post #552

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The weird part for me is that everyone I know who tried an iPad for getting work done (ie: PROfessionals) gave up on it. iOS is simply not geared towards productivity nor content creation, it is a consumption device. The surface pro is the exact opposite, it is a machine that works for getting shit done on the go (for some people, not all obviously).

You're the wrong kind of user. I do end user architecture in a large enterprise, we ran into this with a lot of early adopters. People who are mobile (as in floating around an office or travel) whose job tasks are easily attributable to specific applications are very happy with iPads. Ideally, the number of applications they use every day on a traditional PC is less than 5. Examples: Sales, Executives, auditors, poli…

"We had one group of auditors who literally sent my team a $200 fruit basket in appreciation for their iPads."

Were they using a custom made app for their specific task or something like that?

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by chmike »

mbreese wrote: post #457
bjacobel wrote: post #440

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The really galling part is the total refusal to admit they're not doing anything innovative. "There has never been another product like the iPad Pro before" was a real quote from today's presentation, and is a complete falsehood.

There has never been a product like it before. No one else has ever made an iOS tablet like it. :) It's an admittedly nuanced statement, but not an outright falsehood. I don't think anyone in that room took it for anything else - they've all seen the Samsung and Microsoft tablets that inspired the Pro. Just like they were inspired by the original iPad, which was inspired by... which was inspired by... etc...

This is an inductive statement very close to the doubly linked assertion presented by [Dr Milton Erickson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Erickson) from witch the academic example is "Save money, buy now". Here the induced assertion is "There has never been a product like it before" which is obviously false. This is beyond marketing. It is manipulative talk.

In my opinion, this should be made illegal. We have seen in Germany during the years 1935 to 1945, and more recently with ISIS, what manipulative talk could lead people to do.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by callesgg »

overgryphon wrote: post #142
callesgg wrote: post #96

At that size it is balancing close to the edge where computers live. But my guess is that as long as computers dont have proper touch interfaces tablets will be considered to have a different use senario. It is hard to lift up my computer on the buss and look at a video or browse the web in a somewhat comfortable way.

Touch laptops already exist.

I was talking about interfaces in the software.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by jpalomaki »

qyv wrote: post #552
jff wrote: post #47

Predicted by a 3 year old comic: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COenroJWEAAjLoi.jpg:large

The weird part for me is that everyone I know who tried an iPad for getting work done (ie: PROfessionals) gave up on it. iOS is simply not geared towards productivity nor content creation, it is a consumption device. The surface pro is the exact opposite, it is a machine that works for getting shit done on the go (for some people, not all obviously).

Surface Pro is nice since you can run all the existing enterprise apps, but how many of those apps will offer great user experience on tables? Apple is kind of forcing companies to create apps specifically for the tablet use.

Obviously there is nothing preventing companies from creating new tablet version of apps for surface as well, but there might be a problem with the corporate "if it works, you won't get a budget to fix it" thinking.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by seunosewa »

gadrfgaesgysd wrote: post #288
gshakir wrote: post #26

"Who knows more about productivity than Microsoft" ?

Audience gave Schiller the exact response he wanted (notice the silence and the delayed laughter). On paper it look like Apple is giving credit to Microsoft, but the subtext is: it's a joke, don't take the sentence too seriously, and Apple is still better at productivity.

If it was a joke, then it's far more likely that the exact response he wanted was laughter, but he got awkward silence instead.

But I dont think it was meant as a joke at all. If he didnt want to praise Microsoft, he could have left out the line; there was no reason to resort to mockery disguised as praise. Microsoft could not have said, "we wont demo our products unless you say we are best at productivity". Apple holds all the cards.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by jlebar »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #592
qyv wrote: post #579

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Of course. And don't get me wrong, the iPad is far from worthless and Apple is far from Trivial in the space. The point is that Apple is no longer the leader/innovator in the space. Perhaps I am wrong, but I think that a lot of iOS devices get sold on intangibles rather than concrete benefits or capabilities. Apple has created tremendous value in these intangibles by being so awesome/innovative/ahead for the last 8 y…

I don't see where the competition is coming from. Samsung? Google? Xiaomi? Outside of Microsoft (disclosure: MS employee), I don't see much competition for Apple in the innovative premium tablet space. They still execute well in the phone space, watch seems to be shaping up fine, they are still the only PC maker that is known for producing PCs that can last. The costs don't seem too off from the competition, unless w…

> Outside of Microsoft (disclosure: MS employee), I don't see much competition for Apple in the innovative premium tablet space.

Care to break down Apple vs. Microsoft's revenues in tablets? I can't imagine it's within two orders of magnitude, at which point I'd hardly say that Microsoft counts as competition. But maybe I'm wrong about the numbers.

(Granted, you said "pro tablets". I doubt we can get numbers on that, but I think the relevant distinction is "tablets used for work" rather than "tablets with XYZ specs", and in that space too I suspect without data that Apple is far and beyond the leader in terms of revenue.)

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by lotu »

conception wrote: post #719
bostonpete wrote: post #576

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Well, at some point it's limited by population...

Not really unless we hit zero population growth world-wide. Otherwise, there will always be more people to buy.

We are likely to hit zero global population grown sometime between 2040 and 2070. It's not around the corner but I hoping to still be alive at that point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_grow...

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by etchalon »

Thimothy wrote: post #737
etchalon wrote: post #714

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So 3D Touch is something Android has? This is mostly a tongue-in-cheek comment, but the broader point is that of course Apple has "innovated" since the original iPhone, iPad, iWhatever. In some big ways, and in some small ways. But so have other players in the industry. Apple has borrowed some good ideas from them, just as they have borrowed good ideas from Apple. However saying Apple hasn't innovated since those ori…

Actually... It does. Huawei did a demo about it a few months ago. http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-s-force-touch-ha... It's okay to live inside a ecosystem, but don't pretend to know what happens outside it.

Huawei's version is not Force Touch, as Apple has defined it. It's a pressure sensitive display, with no haptic. It's about as precise as MotionEvent.getPressure from what I've seen (which isn't really precise if you've used that API).

Basically, they saw the Apple Watch, and kinda cribbed together a rough copy of it, and jammed it into a phone.

Shocking, I know, as Android OEM hardware hacks are always done as cohesive, full-thought implementations.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by lotu »

prapam2 wrote: post #712
mythz wrote: post #603

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No I'm not confusing simplicity with ease of use, I'm referring to the simplicity from the users perspective (i.e. what matters most) which is the conceptual and cognitive overhead required for them to know to accomplish what they want to do. In the same way a GUI Desktop is simpler and more comfortable to use for most people than DOS or a single Google search box or voice input are simple enough for anyone to use de…

Don't iOS require some additional software to copy over files. When the easiest and simplest way is just drag and drop which is available for Android users. If you go by sales wouldn't then Android figures indicate that their approach was better?

> Don't iOS require some additional software to copy over files. When the easiest and simplest way is just drag and drop which is available for Android users.

Are your saying most android devices act like USB cards? I decided to test one of mine and it didn't show up so I don't quite know what you mean by that.

> If you go by sales wouldn't then Android figures indicate that their approach was better?

And if you go by profits it looks like Apple is better. Funny how that works out.

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