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Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by CrimsonRain »

SaucyWrong wrote: post #515
CrimsonRain wrote: post #497

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Why it doesn't work? It is working for me. It is working for bun. It is working for others who actually embraces it and puts in the work to get it working.

I recognize your username from other comment threads and would classify you as a bun fanatic, but even so, I’d hold off on saying, “it’s working for bun,” until 1.4.0 has been out of canary for, like, more than 24 hours. Most real users haven’t onboarded to it yet.

so first it was rust rewrite bad. Then rewrite with ai can never work. Then it will be riddled with bugs. It'll crash. It'll take years to fix.

On the other hand, rewrite was mostly done in record time. New version added massive number of features. Also huge bug fixes. Being used by Claude code by millions of people. Successfully used by some others even in canary. After release, multiple companies immediately switched due to massive amounts of resource savings and performance gains (and publicly posted about it).

Can there still be problems? Yes, I'm sure there will be. But denying the feat Oven pulled off with Bun in last few months is nothing but phobia/fud.

Many people are already posted about testing new bun version and I have yet to see a single post where the issue is the latest versions of bun. In some cases people posted it doesn't work but that's due to node compatibility etc and it didn't work on previous version either.

One does not need to be bun fanatic to see and call things as they are.

PS: I like bun because I hate how js ecosystem requires 100s of packages to do anything and bun is aiming to include batteries. This is good.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by CrimsonRain »

0x696C6961 wrote: post #516
CrimsonRain wrote: post #493

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Lol you don't need an app for this. My (barista) gf did the same thing by just telling Claude to create pages in notion.

And you don't need excel. Pen and paper gets the job done. Good logic.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by croes »

user43928 wrote: post #701
croes wrote: post #687

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"Global data centers consumed around 415 terawatt-hours (TWh) of electricity—about 1.5% of the world's total electricity—with AI acting as a primary accelerator for new power demand." https://www.iea.org/reports/energy-and-ai/energy-demand-from... That is today where we already consume too much. If by 2030 AI's consumption doubles it gets worse. While training large models draws major initial power, everyday AI usage…

Well, at least we could establish that the environmental impact is moderate rather than extreme. And if the potential of >13 EJ/year is actually realized, it would seem like the net impact of the data centers is not just "moderately more CO2" but possibly "moderately less". Please avoid low quality analogies on HN.

Please avoid acting as the judge for analogy quality.

Anything but a reduction is bad and AI is a setback for that.

Potential benefits are as long useless as they aren’t realized.

BTW the energy consumption reduction is achieved by what kind of AI? LLMs?

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by layer8 »

peab wrote: post #414
ethagnawl wrote: post #386

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Bonkers is right. Where in those ~12 billion commits is the software, products and "innovations" which are supposed to be making our lives better? Software and apps in particular are getting worse, normies hate AI more than ever because they're even less likely to get their desired outcome when calling their doctor or trying to get their online order refunded when chatting with a cutely named chatbot, wages for (most…

This comment comes up over and over again and it's incredibly ignorant. To give just a single example, ai code dev has enabled people to make tools for themselves that they didn't have before. I've made a language learning app for myself. Its working better than Duolingo so far, for me. Its not really public

Most people would prefer an excellent language learning app to simply be available and ready for them to use, rather than having to come up with how such an app could best work, and to get an AI to implement it by themselves, and having to iterate on that. Just like most people simply want to buy nice clothes, and don’t want to become fashion designers and managers of a clothing factory. So far it doesn’t look like AI is making the former (readily available excellent apps) more widespread.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by ethagnawl »

chrisjj wrote: post #724
ethagnawl wrote: post #386

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Bonkers is right. Where in those ~12 billion commits is the software, products and "innovations" which are supposed to be making our lives better? Software and apps in particular are getting worse, normies hate AI more than ever because they're even less likely to get their desired outcome when calling their doctor or trying to get their online order refunded when chatting with a cutely named chatbot, wages for (most…

> Where in those ~12 billion commits is the software, products and "innovations" which are supposed to be making our lives better? Where is anything saying there should be? If they were all private hobby projects, you'd have no grounds for complaint.

> Where is anything saying there should be?

What are the boosters ranting and raving about if not the above? Am I just confused and the end game for all of the AI hype, investment, infrastructure build out, etc. over the last N years is ... hobby projects?

Here's a quote I found after a quick web search for "dario ai benefits":

> The list of positive applications of powerful AI is extremely long (and includes robotics, manufacturing, energy, and much more), but I’m going to focus on a small number of areas that seem to me to have the greatest potential to directly improve the quality of human life. The five categories I am most excited about are:

> Biology and physical health

> Neuroscience and mental health

> Economic development and poverty

> Peace and governance

> Work and meaning

https://darioamodei.com/essay/machines-of-loving-grace

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by krupan »

Why are we even committing AI generated code and uploading it to GitHub? I've heard we don't need to read the code anymore. Why preserve a detailed version history if AI has it all handled? Why even share code if we can all just have AI write whatever software we need for ourselves? GitHub feels like a dead end of AI is really headed to where we believe it's headed

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by hirvi74 »

inigyou wrote: post #695
hirvi74 wrote: post #398

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My employer has 0% test coverage lol. I've begged and pleaded, but the claim is that "risk is low" and "that's what QA is for." Hell, I've complained to senior management about how there are senior devs that forgo backend validation. It's truly Hell in the trenches sometimes. Some days, I would seriously rather work at Wendy's.

Just write the tests. It's your job, not your employer's.

It's their code, not mine. If they don't want us writing tests, then so be it. I get paid either way.
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