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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by nicce »

AbstractH24 wrote: post #679
jwilliams wrote: post #451

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> I don't know what "openclaw" is. It's not something I have knowledge of, and it doesn't appear in your memory or this project's context. As others have pointed out, Anthropic is allowed to have TOS, even if we disagree with it. But having Claude deny the existence of OpenClaw is a way more hazardous and likely straight up violates Claude's Constitution: https://www.anthropic.com/constitution

> As others have pointed out, Anthropic is allowed to have TOS, even if we disagree with it. Anthropic is allowed to shutdown its LLM and manufacture clown noses if it wants Doesn’t mean customers have to agree with it.

At some point you can start asking money back. One could say that putting 5h unjustified limit for usage is like stealing money if it is set so that you cannot reach your 100% limit.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by smilekzs »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #691
chillfox wrote: post #509

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Because AI is a new product category in tech, and every single new product category in tech always, no exceptions, insists on learning nothing from history, and so the dumb shit is repeated until they learn their own lessons. I am almost 40, and I have seen the same pattern play out several times now, it’s always the same.

I am a little over 50 and I have also seen the same pattern play out. It's incredible. Lots of things were the Hot New Things That Will Change Everything, like VLIW processors, transputers before that, no doubt others. Perceptrons! Oh wait they can't do XOR functions, well how about Neural Networks? Too complex! Tell you what then, Fuzzy Logic, it'll power everything from washing machines to self-driving cars! Now we…

Google TPUs are VLIW machines on a circuit-switched network.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by Ethee »

hrimfaxi wrote: post #696
tempaccount5050 wrote: post #592

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I think this makes sense. I don't understand what problem OpenClaw is solving or what the use case is other than just burning a shit ton of tokens.

Openclaw is an always on AI assistant that's plugged into a bunch of MCPs. You don't understand what kinds of problems that can help solve and cant envision any use cases for that?

From a conceptual perspective it sounds great. The problem is that OpenClaw isn't actually a solution to that problem for 2 reasons, user expectation and underlying security. The majority of people I've talked to who want an 'AI assistant' effectively are expecting a proper executive assistant, just in AI form. A proper executive assistant will remember every important bit you tell them, they won't need to be reminded of it later, and more importantly they come to me of their own volition when something comes up. All things OpenClaw does not solve. Further, using MCP as the underlying protocol means you have to implicitly trust every piece of data you connect to that AI, because otherwise it's way too easy for me to send you an email with hidden instructions just for your AI to read. I mean even the defaults for the OpenClaw install had basically opened everyone who installed it and didn't configure it in any way to any attacker. So while I agree with you that there are problems in this space that an AI agent 'could' solve, OpenClaw does not currently solve any of them, and in fact does the opposite, exposing you and all your information easily.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by 8note »

antonvs wrote: post #528
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #523

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Yeah, I feel that. The ageism in tech probably has something to do with it. When I see some of these brobdingnagian disasters, I always wonder if there were any adults in the room, when the idea was greenlighted.

Ageism is definitely part of it, but most people just don't seem to care to learn in general, and of course the incentives are against it. They'd rather treat the general version of Greenspun's 10th rule as a commandment, and create a new, ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of some fraction of whatever already addresses the requirement, than learn about how to use some existing tool that th…

i think there's two parts

1. there's too much to learn and know, and the cs courseware and interviews are all about algorithmic complexity, rather than business setup and operations. same with "how do you raise money" vs "how do you make a great customer experience"

2. the market rewards building the new functionality, not building all the standard chunks required to run a business

if anthropic had great customer support built out, but no model and no claude-code, theyd be much worse than they are now having stuff people want but lacking the ability to serve it

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clearly theres still plenty of b2b startup opportunities standardizing how all these things work, so that business can focus on their actual business rather than recreating all the basics

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by khaledh »

happymellon wrote: post #707
khaledh wrote: post #389

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What if I use AI to just understand the codebase?

If you aren't reading the codebase, then you won't understand it.

Those are not mutually exclusive. I can ask the AI to summarize the structure of the codebase before I dig deeper into the code.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by vkou »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #716
giancarlostoro wrote: post #697

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Reminds me of the time a former employer which shall remain nameless paid a Senior Developer to spend an entire year coding something a $15,000 license from the maintainers of the original library would have given them. So lets spend 6 figures to save 15 grand or whatever. This was a CTO burning funds, and that does not even cover the maintenance costs, especially as the original library changes and becomes drastical…

> Reminds me of the time a former employer which shall remain nameless paid a Senior Developer to spend an entire year coding something a $15,000 license from the maintainers of the original library would have given them. So lets spend 6 figures to save 15 grand or whatever. You argumentation assumes that the goal was saving money. On the other hand, if the company's goal is to become a little bit more independent of…

You're assuming that the goal was making the company more successful.

On the other hand, if the CTO's goal is to grow his empire with no regard to the well-being of the company, this approach makes a lot of sense.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

smilekzs wrote: post #732
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #691

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I am a little over 50 and I have also seen the same pattern play out. It's incredible. Lots of things were the Hot New Things That Will Change Everything, like VLIW processors, transputers before that, no doubt others. Perceptrons! Oh wait they can't do XOR functions, well how about Neural Networks? Too complex! Tell you what then, Fuzzy Logic, it'll power everything from washing machines to self-driving cars! Now we…

Google TPUs are VLIW machines on a circuit-switched network.

So, a tech bubble, powered by the technology of two older tech bubbles.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by vkou »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #550
m4x wrote: post #515

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What kind of work are you applying Opus and other LLMs to? I'm quite curious to understand how other people are using these tools. At the moment neither Opus nor any open weights models seem to be capable of doing complex work, and for less complex work the additional cost of Opus hasn't been worthwhile. This is for reasonably math-heavy computer vision applications. What LLMs have been useful for is identifying forg…

My current job has me overseeing a few teams of engineers working on ~10+ y/o legacy software systems that have not been especially well maintained. As an example, one team had a completely broken CI pipeline due to numerous flaky tests. They had configured the CI pipeline to rerun tests multiple times and still the master branch had like.. a 40% pass rate. Super ugly, but the suite took ~40 minutes to run and they w…

> Uhm, we have an active interview pipeline where we give a take-home technical assessment. After we got a few submissions, and manually evaluated them, I fed our analyses in and our grading rubric and had it generate assessments for incoming candidates following the rubric. After checking a few pretty carefully it became clear that it was good enough to trust - the take home wasn't groundbreaking and the problem space was understood enough to be able to identify obvious issues if there were any.

If you're going to not invest any of your time, and just have an AI evaluate candidate homework, can you provide a single ethical reason for why candidates shouldn't just have AI do that homework for them?

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by hrimfaxi »

tempaccount5050 wrote: post #719
hrimfaxi wrote: post #696

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Openclaw is an always on AI assistant that's plugged into a bunch of MCPs. You don't understand what kinds of problems that can help solve and cant envision any use cases for that?

Do you have some examples?

Drafting email responses for work, organizing talking points for upcoming meetings based on email and doc context. Creating tickets for work tracking. Anything you can do with claude code and mcps pretty much.
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