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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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I think it goes beyond this. I was just using claude to edit a blog post which mentioned OpenClaw and I got this response: "The "OpenClaw" reference — I assume that's a typo or playful reference; if you mean a real product, I couldn't find it under that spelling and you'll want to fix or footnote it.". I gave it a direct link to openclaw.ai and the chat instantly ended and hit my 5hr usage limit. Could have been a co…

> I don't know what "openclaw" is. It's not something I have knowledge of, and it doesn't appear in your memory or this project's context.

As others have pointed out, Anthropic is allowed to have TOS, even if we disagree with it.

But having Claude deny the existence of OpenClaw is a way more hazardous and likely straight up violates Claude's Constitution: https://www.anthropic.com/constitution

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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A lot of the comments here are reacting to the censorship aspect, which is obviously an important point. But the more interesting subtext to me is that I feel like this gives insight into the situation within the company. I'm assuming they wouldn't do something like this unless the recent load issues (mostly driven by OpenClaw usage) were seen as an existential threat. So I'm guessing that's how the leadership views…

Everything I’ve heard about the company tells me they are obsessed about exponential growth. It might seem bad to make a change that loses you 10% of your users, but if those are your least profitable users and the rest of your userbase is growing 200% per month, why does it matter?

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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There is nothing wrong with flat-rate plans. I work at an LLM-serving startup, and am aware of at least three competitors, that (a) provide flat rate subs (b) are extremely profitable and (c) are bootstrapped, ie. not beholden to investors (there are also many other competitors but I can't ascertain their profitability or investment status). You simply need to price the flat-rate sub at a price that's profitable when…

Anthropic isn't backed into a corner. They have plenty of enterprise subscriptions. Individual user experience (especially billing) is suffering because it's not a priority in comparison. If they were as desperate as you described, they would try selling access to mythos.

We'll see how many enterprise subs they retain 5 years

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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We all get the "realpolitik" of it. That doesn't mean anthropic just gets to ignore the contract they signed. Well it does as long as you're fighting the fight for them before it even gets to anthropic.

I strongly dislike all of these companies (and the people who run them), and I don't love LLMs in general, although I use them every day because they are useful for my job. But the simple fact is, if you're paying $20/mo and using $200/mo of tokens, that is not going to last forever. The only way to make it last a bit longer for the people with relatively sane usage patterns is to try and stop people absolutely takin…

That's not true, you're using RIAA-style wishful accounting here. If the company is willing to sell me $200 worth of tokens for $20, that's still worth only $20 to me.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Even if you don't want prs that are ai assisted, sabotaging anyone who wants to fork your project doesn't really seem to be in the spirit of open source.

I sort of think the spirit of open source is on life support Building giant monopolies on top of open source code wasn't in the spirit of open source either. Training AI that reproduces open source code without any credits wasn't either. I'm not sure why people working on Open Source should continue to accept being whipped like that

It's the philosophy of sharing flames among candles. someone else copying the flame does not make you colder. No matter how much brighter another candle burns.

But with that said: I think it's time we figure out how to exclude the metaphorical arsonists.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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> scamming from the literal money That's par the course for Anthropic. I added some money to my account before I really had a use case for product. A year later they said my money had expired and when I contacted support they basically told me to pound sand. This while they have the audacity to list one of their corporate values as 'Be good to our users'. They'll never get another dollar from me.

Everybody does that, the only question is how much time they give you. The issue, as far as I remember hearing, is that in the US expiring company credit can be immediately recorded as income, whereas indefinite-term credit only becomes income once the user spends it.

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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Make sure you check your extra usage. I thought the same but then noticed that single prompt (exactly as posted) cost $0.20 of extra usage.

It can't be legal that they randomly charge extra usage with no user consent.

What kind of law would cover this?

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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This partially reproduced for me. I did not see my session use go to 100%. I did however get: > API Error: 400 {"type":"error","error":{"type":"invalid_request_error","message":"You're out of extra usage. Add more at claude.ai/settings/usage and keep going."},"request_id":"redacted"}

yeah, this smells like a bug in their (dumb) usage segmentation. For example, there is a distinction of what is classified as extra-usage-billed VS extra-usage-enabled. As a long time claude user, I can assure you they are different things: to use Sonnet[1m] you are required to have extra-usage enabled, but it won't actually bill it unless you are out of quota. Surprisingly, you can use Opus[1m] without extra-usage e…

The logic is so fractured and inconsistent, almost incoherent. Almost as if an LLM made it up

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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I really want to stick with A\ given everything known about Altman, but man are they speedrunning the "how to destroy your reputation" guidebook.

They have better PR than OpenAI but they are not a more ethical company. They do a bunch of shady stuff and are just as much involved in military applications. Cal Newport’s recent podcast had a good discussion about this: https://youtu.be/BRr3pAPsQAk?si=jaRJYJ_XQE7VpxPN

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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Probably some Slopcoded bot which posts fake comments to drive people to their content. After all, if you’re paying hundreds of millions to buy these shitty podcasts, you might as well host some bots.

Did you even check the link? It's a podcast from Cal Newport, a quite known figure (at least in software engineering / compsci circles). So it's not exactly a random shitty podcast. And, it's also (obviously) not my content.

I hadn't heard of him until he got famous last month for slagging off the AI industry.
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