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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by colechristensen »

neonstatic wrote: post #273
colechristensen wrote: post #192

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I don't understand this perspective. I can't imaging a point where I won't want to ask "what's the weather like?" "please turn off the lights" "what is the airspeed of an unladen swallow?" likewise chatting through directing it to build something or solve a problem, voice or typing will each have their place. And video calling did take off, plenty of people use facetime and almost everybody working in an office uses…

> I can't imaging a point where I won't want to ask "what's the weather like?" "please turn off the lights" To help with understanding that perspective, I cannot imagine a scenario where I would ask a device connected to the internet to turn off the lights. I literally never wanted this. A physical switch is a 100% non negotiable for me. I feel the same way about non-mechanical car doors. Perhaps due to that outlook…

Have you never... asked a person a question? to do something for you? to pass the salt? what time it was?

Maybe you're a little strange but it cannot be that much of a stretch for you to consider using speech to ask for things.

Not wanting to hide things behind Internet connected computers is fine, being unable to imagine wanting to use your voice to ask for things is a little silly.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by datadrivenangel »

boppo1 wrote: post #297
dimmke wrote: post #269

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I feel like Anthropic is going down a bad path here with billing things this way. Especially as local LLM continues to develop so fast. I downgraded from my $200 a month plan to my $20 plan and hit limits constantly. I try to use the API access I purchased separately, and it doesn't work with Claude Code (something about the 1 million context requiring extra usage) so I have to use it Continue. Then I get instantly r…

>Especially as local LLM continues to develop so fast. I'm sorry is there anything even close to sonnet, much less opus, that can be run on a 4080? Or 64gb of ram, even slowly?

A ~$5000 USD Macbook can run open source models that are competitive with GPT 3.5 or Sonnet 3. So on nice consumer hardware you can have the original groundbreaking ChatGPT experience that runs locally.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by goosejuice »

RIMR wrote: post #598
goosejuice wrote: post #160

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What you're saying is conceptually true for subscription services in general, but thats not why they are making this change. There's a 5 hour limit and a weekly limit. Those are hard token limits. Everyone on a plan pays for the max set of tokens in that plan. The limits manage capacity. The solution to that isn't a change of ToS, it's adjusting the limits. In other words this is about Anthropic subsidizing their own…

You are still misunderstanding. If you max out your token limits, you are costing Anthropic more than you are paying them. They only expect a small percentage of their users to do this, but OpenClaw changed the dynamic. Anthropic knows that they will lose more users by lowering limits than they will by blocking OpenClaw, because OpenClaw users will overwhelmingly switch to API pricing, while chatbot users will leave…

What am I misunderstanding?

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by xp84 »

ahtihn wrote: post #577
theshrike79 wrote: post #510

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We have a legal contract with Anthropic OpenClaw and OpenCode are open source projects with zero warranty and nobody to sue if they have a npm Trojan in them

So you don’t use any other open source software at all then? The risk with OpenClaw et al isn't that the software itself is compromised. The risk is that what it does is fundamentally insecure and Claude Code isn't any better

Good point. When it comes to npm Trojans you’re probably more likely to find them in dumb and boring deps like Lpad.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

coldtea wrote: post #688
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #606

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> Why "should" they? Because it is clear that there is a market demand for it.

There is also a clear market demand for $10 bills sold for $5, but I don't see you tapping into that opportunity!

I didn't write anything about pricing. I just claim that people would love an offering without the discussed restriction, and because there is clear evidence of such a demand, it would make sense for Anthropic to prepare such an offering.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by stavros »

Lihh27 wrote: post #725
stavros wrote: post #721

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My problem isn't that they're banning OpenClaw, it's that they're banning OpenCode.

to a load balancer, they look exactly the same. OpenCode is just collateral damage the second anthropic realized their consumer tier was funding a shadow api.

You went from "all day unattended usage costs a lot" to "that and human-driven coding look the same to a load balancer". Which is it?

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by wat10000 »

mccoyb wrote: post #117
colechristensen wrote: post #102

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You absolutely can, just pay for their API usage. The subscriptions are deeply discounted if you use your full quota compared to the API.

It is confusing for a company to sell you the subscription service, say "Claude Code is covered", ship Claude Code with `claude -p`, and then say "oh right, actually, not _all of Claude Code_, don't try and use it as a executable ... sorry, right, the subscription only works as long as you're looking at that juicy little Claude Code logo in the TUI" The disrespect Anthropic has for their user base is constant and pal…

Subscriptions are going to leave you open to changes in the subscription terms at any time. This is especially true of AYCE subscriptions for something with a substantial marginal cost of additional usage.

If you want unrestricted and unlimited usage, it's available through the API. Complaining about the subscription like this is basically saying, I want what you're offering, but I demand it for cheaper than what you charge for it. That doesn't make any more sense here than it does at the grocery store.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by mikkupikku »

abustamam wrote: post #534
teekert wrote: post #484

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Yes and they will hide their sushi-grabbing because somewhere deep inside they know it's not part of the deal, while at the same time still strongly feeling that they have indeed paid for it. Ah, to be human!

I'd argue they hide their takeaway because of what GP comment said — not because of anything innate, but because a staff member will not let them. I grew up in an Asian household of six. We definitely took food home at AYCE places. My parents definitely knew it wasn't OK, but they felt like they were gaming the system (like a dubious life hack of sorts) and saving money, so they were actually quite proud of it, bragg…

In the Eastern Bloc states, it used to be so common for workers to steal from the workplace that new moral norms were established around this; if you're not stealing from work, you're stealing from your own family!

Goes to show just how fragile a high-trust society is. Theft and corruption can easily be normalized to such an extent that not participanting gets reframed as immoral.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by wat10000 »

zmmmmm wrote: post #249
beering wrote: post #219

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Claude Code is not a platform and you’re not meant to be building on it. Netflix is also not a platform and you shouldn’t be running code (open source or not) to mass download Netflix movies either.

It's a reasonable comment, and I should be clear, I don't expect it to be a platform. But I do expect to be able to use its advertised features for any reasonable purpose they can support. Where it leaves me is is sort of like the DoD - nobody should use Claude for anything. Because Anthropic has set as principle here that if they don't like what you do, they will interfere with your usage. There is no principle to g…

That rather hinges on exactly what "can support" means. Can they support use cases which work individually but would exceed their capacity to provide if done by a large number of their subscribers?
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