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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by cryzinger »

embedding-shape wrote: post #631
rybosworld wrote: post #587

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> Why are Americans so passive? I think it's important to realize how divided the U.S. is right now. Half the country is in favor of what ICE is doing in some form or another. Some people on the right are denouncing the _way_ ICE is accomplishing this. But they are far from outraged. The other half of the country is as dumbfounded/shocked as the rest of the world. This isn't like the French revolution where a majorit…

> It cannot be understated the role that Fox News has played to get us to this level of division. Yeah, it's been a sharp shift, as someone who've watched/read Fox News (and other news of course) for decades out of the US. Fox News always been a bit strange with it's vitriol, but at one point, I can't remember if it was around the middle of Obama's second term, or later, but it took a really sharp turn further into e…

The fact that ragebait is the most effective way to drive engagement (and therefore to make money off of a captive audience) feels like the first falling domino that sunk us into our current predicament. Certainly the Murdoch empire made its fortune that way.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by flipgimble »

rybosworld wrote: post #587
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

> Why are Americans so passive? I think it's important to realize how divided the U.S. is right now. Half the country is in favor of what ICE is doing in some form or another. Some people on the right are denouncing the _way_ ICE is accomplishing this. But they are far from outraged. The other half of the country is as dumbfounded/shocked as the rest of the world. This isn't like the French revolution where a majorit…

I know what you mean about the country being split politically, but I think using the 50% number is a misleading illusion. Only 31.8% of the voting-age population voted for Trump, so 68% did not vote for these policies.

I get that we often assume that the non-voting population is as evenly split in their support as those who voted during the election. But I think that is going to be wildly off the mark as well. Why? current presidential approval ratings are net -15%, and 2025 elections showed avg 15% swing in district that he won in 2024. His biggest support %s are from old people, and lowest among young voters.

My prediction is that we will see political ads playing non-stop showing ICE brutalizing main street America, and showing how tariff driven inflation is destroying paychecks. The mid-terms will be a dramatic correction which is why you are seeing the ground work to call everything illegitimate or rigged, and attack our established means of voting.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by jshier »

ceejayoz wrote: post #224
jshier wrote: post #70

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Congress hasn't been neutered, they can reclaim their power at any time. Republicans in power simply refuse to act at all.

That they neutered themselves doesn't make them any less neutered. I'm skeptical about their ability to reclaim it, too. Lots of them remember being terrified and running away Jan 6, even if many now pretend not to... and SCOTUS has been on a tear wiping out long-standing legislation Congress was quite clear about like the Voting Rights Act.

To extend the analogy, Congress hasn't had their balls removed, they simply aren't humping other dogs right now.

I'm not an expert, but while many of SCOTUS' rulings have been against the plain letter of the law, few of the decisions ruled out Congressional power in those areas categorically. Congress could pass a new Voting Rights Act, or redefine the EPA's powers over wetlands, or any number of things, they just choose not to. And of course, even with a Democratic Congress, getting past the veto may be impossible.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by ceejayoz »

jshier wrote: post #733
ceejayoz wrote: post #224

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That they neutered themselves doesn't make them any less neutered. I'm skeptical about their ability to reclaim it, too. Lots of them remember being terrified and running away Jan 6, even if many now pretend not to... and SCOTUS has been on a tear wiping out long-standing legislation Congress was quite clear about like the Voting Rights Act.

To extend the analogy, Congress hasn't had their balls removed, they simply aren't humping other dogs right now. I'm not an expert, but while many of SCOTUS' rulings have been against the plain letter of the law, few of the decisions ruled out Congressional power in those areas categorically. Congress could pass a new Voting Rights Act, or redefine the EPA's powers over wetlands, or any number of things, they just ch…

> Congress could pass a new Voting Rights Act, or redefine the EPA's powers over wetlands, or any number of things, they just choose not to.

They could, and SCOTUS could toss it, like they did bit by bit to all the important parts of the first.

Or just invent a new legal standard, like the "history and tradition" one they used in Bruen, Dobbs, and Bremerton.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by NonHyloMorph »

Amezarak wrote: post #518
mlsu wrote: post #504

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Because these systems are not only used on illegal immigrants. To give you a very clear example: a US citizen was murdered without any due process a few days ago by ICE. Because surveilling people -- PEOPLE , not citizens -- without probable cause is a violation of the US constitution? It is a bad thing because it leads to innocent people being brutalized, it's a violation of the constitution, it's very clearly the p…

“Due process” is not a magic incantation. This is emotional, moralizing rhetoric that doesn’t persuade anyone. People who insert themselves into operations involving the state’s actors who have a monopoly on violence are risking their lives and legal jurisprudence has upheld the state’s actions to stop them by whatever means necessary in similar cases many, many times. And it’s obvious things could not operate in any…

The term to consider here is >extrajudical killing< As in: Someone wotking for the executive kills another citizen, without 1) a need to do so for selfdefense 2) any justification from the judicary for it, and that without being charged for murder/aggrevated manslaugther. The argument: they are not doing what this law enforcement person wants do do of them (whether that obstruction is legal or not), so they are free to be killed is nothing but the total disregard for the law, any decency and the respect for human life and dignity. In short it is lynchmob mentality.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by dpc050505 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #144
throwaway85825 wrote: post #113

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Larry Ellison wants constant surveillance so everyone will be 'on their best behavior'.

With a little asterisk on the word "everyone".

Somebody is taking advantage of the tens of thousands of children that have been disappeared by ICE. I wonder who the most likely suspects are.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by stronglikedan »

LastTrain wrote: post #265
brightball wrote: post #178

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Is there video for any of that?

If there is proof of it would it change your mind about anything?

Of course. Although, I have a feeling your question wasn't genuine, and was more of a projection.

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Post by BuckRogers »

ceejayoz wrote: post #625
BuckRogers wrote: post #601

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> I actually don't have an ideological bent… This works better if we can't see your posts. > you assume the officer's injuries are minor.. First, you don't know that. I do know that, as he was released from the hospital same day.

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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by buellerbueller »

chinathrow wrote: post #730
buellerbueller wrote: post #679

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I believe in borders; my taxes fund my government, and not someone else's. However, there is no US-American "people" aside from the indigenous people who have been massacred. Ever since, it has always been whoever has been here.

Why do you believe in borders?

As I said: I fund the government; I don't think my government should be beholden to the entire population of the planet.

If there were a world government that I funded, then borders would be unnecessary, but that is not the world in which we live.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by NickC25 »

fourseventy wrote: post #723
NickC25 wrote: post #639

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oh please. I live by one of his golf courses. The folks there watering the course, cutting the lawn, moving the greens, and cleaning the facilities are most definitely not US citizens, most definitely are not English speakers, and I'd bet a lot of money are not valid green card holders or work visa holders. You think his courses in immigration hotbeds like New York or Southern California are any different? Fuck no th…

How do you know they are not US citizens?

Because I've played at his course, and played at plenty of courses owned by his wealthy donors down here in SoFLA. They don't hire American, none of them do. The majority of landscapers and maintenance folks at his Doral course in particular are Salvadorean, Nicaraguan, and Venezuelan.
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