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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by tim333 »

biimugan wrote: post #728

I really don't understand the national security argument. If you really do fear some fundamental breakthrough in AI from China, what's cheaper, $500 billion to rush to get there first, or spending a few billion (and likely much less) in basic research in physics, materials science, and electronics, mixed with a little bit of espionage, mixed with improving the electric grid and eliminating (or greatly reducing) fossi…

I'm not sure I buy the national security argument but as you say the other side can trivially steal or absorb theoretical discoveries but not trivially get $500bn worth of data centers.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by spacechild1 »

mattlutze wrote: post #726
mppm wrote: post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

Ellison should be nowhere near this: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip... The man has the moral system of a private prison and the money to build one.

> "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on," Ellison said, describing what he sees as the benefits from automated oversight from AI and automated alerts for when crime takes place.

Wow! It is genuinely frightening that these people should be in control of our future!

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by noisy_boy »

siva7 wrote: post #729
mattlutze wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ellison should be nowhere near this: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip... The man has the moral system of a private prison and the money to build one.

> "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on," Let's be honest. He isn't wrong. I'd rather live in a society with zero crime than what we have now.

Just be prepared to be never daring to complain; a zero crime society isn't without its faults.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by ajmurmann »

siva7 wrote: post #729
mattlutze wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ellison should be nowhere near this: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip... The man has the moral system of a private prison and the money to build one.

> "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on," Let's be honest. He isn't wrong. I'd rather live in a society with zero crime than what we have now.

Yes we have historically low low crime. It's unbearable.

There are a number of countries that might give you a panopticon state of you want one

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by noisy_boy »

jwr wrote: post #662
Gud wrote: post #599

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a money making scheme.

Mostly benefiting the fossil fuel industry. How are they going to power this? Gas is the only option that can be implemented within single years. And this is going to need a lot of power. Who cares about the planet, anyway.

There probably will be a clause of mandatory consumption of a given percentage of power generated from coal ensuring continued coal generation of a given minimum providing excellent talking-points for broadcasting to the incumbent's base.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by mrg3_2013 »

OutOfHere wrote: post #134
jofzar wrote: post #54

> This project will not only support the re-industrialization of the United States but also provide a strategic capability to protect the national security of America and its allies. > The initial equity funders in Stargate are SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, and MGX. SoftBank and OpenAI are the lead partners for Stargate, with SoftBank having financial responsibility and OpenAI having operational responsibility. Masayoshi…

I think the death of Suchir Balaji makes more sense now. AE wouldn't mess around with its investments.

This.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by blantonl »

nejsjsjsbsb wrote: post #670
mppm wrote: post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

Need a bit of Zuck too

Yeah, really the only thing missing from this initiative was the personal information of the vast majority of the United States population handed over on a silver platter.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by rainingmonkey »

tim333 wrote: post #608
deknos wrote: post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

>wars which break out because of scarcity issues That doesn't seem to be much of a thing these days. If you look at Russia/Ukraine or China/Taiwan there's not much scarcity. It's more bullying dictator wants to control the neighbours issues.

"Global warming may not have caused the Arab Spring, but it may have made it come earlier... In 2010, droughts in Russia, Ukraine, China and Argentina and torrential storms in Canada, Australia and Brazil considerably diminished global crops, driving commodity prices up. The region was already dealing with internal sociopolitical, economic and climatic tensions, and the 2010 global food crisis helped drive it over the edge."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-an...

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by wadim »

siva7 wrote: post #729
mattlutze wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ellison should be nowhere near this: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip... The man has the moral system of a private prison and the money to build one.

> "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on," Let's be honest. He isn't wrong. I'd rather live in a society with zero crime than what we have now.

If you're lucky, you might get your chance to live in Thiel's and Ellison's techbro utopia. Make sure to tell us how great it is to be subjected to people with no accountability, but all of the power over every aspect of your life.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by msoad »

biimugan wrote: post #728

I really don't understand the national security argument. If you really do fear some fundamental breakthrough in AI from China, what's cheaper, $500 billion to rush to get there first, or spending a few billion (and likely much less) in basic research in physics, materials science, and electronics, mixed with a little bit of espionage, mixed with improving the electric grid and eliminating (or greatly reducing) fossi…

no... one more lane will fix the traffic. Truly American approach

Amazing to see how DeepSeek R1 is doing better than OpenAI models with much less resources

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