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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by c0redump »

short_sells_poo wrote: post #102
breck wrote: post #46

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If they are making billions from subscriptions, why on earth would they want to switch to an ads business?

Because it is never enough. We see this time and time again. Once they are making billions, the people in charge will demand that they start making dozens of billions, and then hundreds. The growth must never cease, because the moment you stop growing, you can't sell the dream that supports ridiculous PE ratios anymore. Google was a very profitable business 10 years ago and the search was still decent. In the last de…

I would gladly read long-form pieces in this vein and style. Have you considered writing?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by SergeyHack »

greenavocado wrote: post #483
umvi wrote: post #451

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At some point it seems like Google switch to ML-based search instead of index based search. You can search for very specific combinations of lyrics and scenes: "eyes on me pineapple bucket of water house of cards chess time loop" and you won't surface a link to the music video featuring all of those things ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlzgDVLtU6g ), you'll just get really generic results of the average of your q…

Has google completely stopped working for anyone else? I can still search things, i get results but, they're an ordered list of popular places the engine is directing me to. Some kind of filtering is occurring on nearly every search i make that's making the results feel entirely useless. Image search stopped working sometime ago and now it just runs an AI filter on whatever image you search for, tells you there's a m…

For me it feels like Google is adding "buy" keyword to every search.

Part of the answer is here - https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by space_oddity »

zeven7 wrote: post #544
umvi wrote: post #451

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At some point it seems like Google switch to ML-based search instead of index based search. You can search for very specific combinations of lyrics and scenes: "eyes on me pineapple bucket of water house of cards chess time loop" and you won't surface a link to the music video featuring all of those things ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlzgDVLtU6g ), you'll just get really generic results of the average of your q…

Searching for a song by typing in lyrics is specifically a feature I’ve noticed Google can’t do any more. And it used to be able to.

It works only if they're well-known lyrics or a popular track

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by space_oddity »

rawgabbit wrote: post #415
whizzter wrote: post #300

This is probably Google's Altavista moment, by making their results crappier by the year in search of Ad dollars everyone has felt that there is a potential for search to be better and once that becomes available they'll be in a continious game of catch-up. Yes, Google has their own AI divisions, tons of money and SEO is to blame for part of their crappiness. But they've also _explicitly_ focused on ad-dollars over a…

For me the key difference between ChatGPT Search and Google is the feedback mechanism. With ChatGPT, I can give a thumbs up or thumbs down; this means that OpenAI will optimize for users thumbs up. With Google, the feedback is if I click on an Ad; this means that Google optimizes for clickbait.

Each platform serves information differently

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by globular-toast »

Well this is just further in the same direction Google was already heading, and this is exactly what I don't want. It's basically masticated and regurgitated rubbish.

This isn't search. Search can take some skill to wield, but what it should lead to is a high quality result. This might be someone's blog or a dedicated website about that topic. Information curated and edited by humans is going to become harder to come by. I wish I had more books.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by Pikamander2 »

zeven7 wrote: post #544
umvi wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point it seems like Google switch to ML-based search instead of index based search. You can search for very specific combinations of lyrics and scenes: "eyes on me pineapple bucket of water house of cards chess time loop" and you won't surface a link to the music video featuring all of those things ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlzgDVLtU6g ), you'll just get really generic results of the average of your q…

Searching for a song by typing in lyrics is specifically a feature I’ve noticed Google can’t do any more. And it used to be able to.

Same here. I've generally found complaints about Google's recent decline to be overblown, but lyrics are one area where it's truly gone off the deep end.

Even if I type in 2-3 lines worth of nearly-exact lyrics that show up on multiple lyrics websites, it'll give me completely unrelated songs that match several words at most.

On that note, if anyone needs a good browser-based song finder, the "Aha Music Identifier" extension is pretty good. It's a life saver when watching Twitch streams that don't list the currently-playing song.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by sph »

scq wrote: post #402
Liquix wrote: post #132

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the FAANG giants have been government assets for ~15+ years [0]. they don't have to turn a profit every quarter, innovate, or make their search any better because they no longer play by the rules a normal business does. they are a critical "too big to fail" component of the state's global surveillance system. [0] https://static1.makeuseofimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/upl...

Linking the slide deck that caused Google to start encrypting the traffic between their own data centers running on their own fiber is perhaps not the most compelling argument that Google is a state asset. https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/tech-companies-s...

You think it is so hard for the NSA to have a tap within Google's datacenters?

You think Google could say no to NSA if they were asking nicely to put a tap?

Encryption between datacenters is to keep away other state actors, not the US.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

gpt + search have been married long ago, for example, Phind. The problem that recently emerged, it tends to find long articles written by GPT, and lacking any useful information.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by [deleted] »

dyauspitr wrote: post #708
GolfPopper wrote: post #602

Every time I see one of these topics, I go ask chat GPT a question to which I know the answer on a topic where I would like to be able to get useful answers to similar questions that I do not know the answer to. This time it was, "Did Paul Edwin Zimmer write a fourth Dark Border novel?" (Real answer: Yes, Ingulf the Mad . You can find the answer on his Wikipedia page.[1]) ChatGPT's[2] answer: "Yes, Paul Edwin Zimmer…

If you don’t trust the answer I always tell it to look it up and it invariably gets it right

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