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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by vindex10 »

ang_cire wrote: post #723
leohonexus wrote: post #718

For the record: I think this is going to be one of the posts where the HN vibe would be totally off (incorrectly negative) looking back 10 years from now. Similar to the original Dropbox post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

I can't tell if you're saying that they were incorrectly negative, or incorrectly positive? In my experience, everyone hates Dropbox, and especially that it's always popping up asking you to sign in, and that it's preinstalled on fresh Windows installs whether you want it or not.

What do you use instead? I just happend to have Dropbox historically from >10 years ago. It doesn't pop up on linux that often btw.

Would you recommend Proton maybe?

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by leohonexus »

ang_cire wrote: post #723
leohonexus wrote: post #718

For the record: I think this is going to be one of the posts where the HN vibe would be totally off (incorrectly negative) looking back 10 years from now. Similar to the original Dropbox post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

I can't tell if you're saying that they were incorrectly negative, or incorrectly positive? In my experience, everyone hates Dropbox, and especially that it's always popping up asking you to sign in, and that it's preinstalled on fresh Windows installs whether you want it or not.

Thanks, I've updated my comment to clarify. I think HN is being incorrectly negative here.

The original comment about Dropbox was saying how everyone can "trivially" implement Dropbox using a network share and hence it has no reason to exist - but obviously this is wrong.

Many HN commenters are now saying how they won't ever buy anything from Meta. That's fair, but brand perceptions shift - newer generations are already at a point where they are way more comfortable sharing their lives and branding themselves than before - wanting to be a YouTuber now is what wanting to be an astronaut was in the past. A lot of the reputational damage dealt to Meta is US-centric (e.g. Cambridge Analytica), and the HN crowd, being mostly Western and privacy-aware amplifies that. The average person who's using Meta's services doesn't read HN, and is certainly much less critical of Meta.

Also, I think AR glasses has lots of potential as an eventual phone replacement. I'll give an example - virtual humans that exist in your glasses that can act as a fitness trainer, tennis coach, rock bouldering buddy that you can summon anytime. I think we are kind of all glued to the same pane of glass for too long and give it 5-10 years for the pendulum to swing, this blending of physical and virtual will become very interesting.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by TiredOfLife »

verdverm wrote: post #560
bensandcastle wrote: post #543

Having built similar tech (Meta, YC S13), it's been a great year with Vision Pro, Orion, Spectacles and more coming out. Currently at my co, seeing most day to day use out of XReal, and keen for Visor. AR/XR/MR/VR app I'm most looking forward to is a 360 location share with the sharing user in AR, and the receiving user in VR, with additional virtual objects shared between. Orion would be great for the send side, wit…

visor.com is close to shipping too (Vision Pro in a smaller package at 1/3 the cost, aimed at virtual monitors)

Is that the one that had a presentation last week without a single working device?

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by buran77 »

ffsm8 wrote: post #713
manojlds wrote: post #702

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nitpick, but the comment said Apple is worse compared to what people think of Apple.

I don't think that's a nitpick, that kinda voids their point entirely. Apple is a lot worse then most of their users believe - but even at their worst, they're leagues more privacy focused and less invasive then Google, Facebook and Microsoft are. But they're still getting worse every year, and the time when they were actually torchbearers for privacy have slowly faded over the years as MBAs have strengthened their h…

It's still of value to have companies that have different incentives even if they will still try to prey on you, if only because you get to spread your digital footprint among competing companies rather than allies.

Going back to Apple, their stance on privacy is more geared towards their internal consumption (abuse?) than towards privacy violation-as-a-service for sale. That's not great but I'll take anything I can get.

I know what I'm sharing with Apple is up for grabs by them to use "against" me. And I know the same is true for Google of Facebook, so no real difference here. The problem is the next level, where what I share with someone else is up for grabs by Google or Facebook, or the other way around. This huge web of data collection and sharing is the big problem, not the posts that I'm volunteering to give to FB or the emails I choose to host with Google.

In other words, when you talk to me alone you choose to give me the information, you're aware I will use it in some way to shape my actions. If you tell me your phone broke, I'll offer to sell you my spare, and you won't turn red that I used the info. But if a stranger shows up at your door a minute later to sell you a phone we're suddenly having a different conversation. Same if you go to a pharmacy on the other side of town to buy some medication and the moment you make the payment I send you a text offering my regrets for your illness.

"A lot worse" can mean very different things if you talk in relative or absolute terms, or if you think some practices are just as bad as others.

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Post by TiredOfLife »

momoschili wrote: post #21

A few major elements to this that I'm really interested in: 1. wireless data transfer and how that affects the performance 2. EMG: this is alright, but seems to be a bit overhyped 3. MicroLED: clearly the best display technology available, but how close is color display to consumer price levels? 4. silicon carbide: great material, interested in seeing it at scale 5. magnesium frame: super awesome to see this being pu…

1. Quest has had a wireless connection to PC for 3+ years and it's fine for fast paced games like Beat Saber.

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Post by ang_cire »

vunderba wrote: post #469
ang_cire wrote: post #85

This is cool from a technical standpoint, but ultimately just feels like another gimmick. This feels like it's doing stuff that I could do faster or better (and definitely, more safely) on a computer or phone. I don't personally see the appeal of hands-free as a paradigm in most cases. Do we really want people talking on and looking at Zoom as they walk around the office? Or as they drive? Or as they are out shopping…

Because you're thinking of the possibilities from a very narrow angle (communication, passive media consumption, and productivity). The educational potential for AR is absolutely incredible. Imagine being able to look down at a breadboard, and have it overlay explanations, diagrams, current flows, etc. Imagine putting a person in front of you who is juggling (mills mess, box pattern, etc) and slowing it down to exact…

See, the only one there that actually sounds useful to me and not a clumsier version of something I can already do, is the breadboard. But I'd much rather have that as a holo table-like system than AR glasses: https://newatlas.com/vr/voxon-photonics-3d-hologram-volumetr...

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by ang_cire »

stevage wrote: post #592
ang_cire wrote: post #85

This is cool from a technical standpoint, but ultimately just feels like another gimmick. This feels like it's doing stuff that I could do faster or better (and definitely, more safely) on a computer or phone. I don't personally see the appeal of hands-free as a paradigm in most cases. Do we really want people talking on and looking at Zoom as they walk around the office? Or as they drive? Or as they are out shopping…

Would you actually take a call while running? I wouldn't.

I mean, yes? I stop running while I'm talking, but If my S.O. calls me, I'm definitely going to answer.

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Post by hhr »

lifeinthevoid wrote: post #605

My biggest gripe with AR products is that they will just become a tool to spoil the real world with ads everywhere. No thanks.

This reminds me a Futurama quote: "Leela: Didn't you have ads in the 20th century? Fry: Well, sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio, and in magazines, and movies, and at ball games, and on buses, and milk cartons, and T-shirts, and bananas, and written on the sky... But not in dreams."

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Post by mdhb »

Honestly I’d rather slam my dick in a car door and I suspect that society is not going to take kindly to this idea that people are going to just be walking around filming you from every angle without any kind of consent to stream it directly into who knows what kind of databases for future data mining.

I hope people become afraid to wear this kind of thing in public because someone won’t hesitate to take it off their face and put it in the bin.

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