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Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by makeitdouble »

jimmytucson wrote: post #144

For the uninitiated, $2.52/month is what it would cost users to browse Reddit with Apollo under the current API pricing. RIF would be just $0.73/month[1]. For comparison, Reddit Premium is $5.99/month[2]. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/comment/... [2] https://www.reddit.com/premium

That assumes cooperation between reddit and third party devs.

Telling the devs about the change 2 months before applying it, low balling the price at first, smiting them at every corner, while not having any room for schedule adjustment... is just unreasonable for a change of that order of magnitude.

Reddit shows absolutely no willingness to make that relationship work, so it's kinda dead whichever way you look at it.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by courseofaction »

jcims wrote: post #34
wpietri wrote: post #11

Great! There's a picket line I won't be crossing. Not just for those subs, of course, but for all of Reddit. The reason Reddit is valuable is not the few execs making these (IMHO terrible) decisions. It's the thousands of mods and the millions of people creating and organizing the content that I go there to read. Until those people are happy with things, I'm not going back.

Reddit is basically successful despite itself. It's wild.

It rode that beautiful wave of techno-optimism. An undeserving beneficiary of Aaron Swartz's work.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

memefrog wrote: post #630
squeaky-clean wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mods don't just edit the css, they moderate. You can clearly see the difference a good mod team does. After the reddit blackout is over, check out the difference between /gaming and /AskHistorians. AskHistorian threads are often 90% deleted comments because people try commenting without posting any sources. For smaller communities mods keep away trolls and spambots. They enforce custom rules that sub will have. > Yes…

I compare /r/gaming and /r/AskHistorians. The latter is overmoderated and exhibits what I call the "Reddit effect": people will take to be true and accurate anything that is said in a clear and authoritative tone. Yes much of what is on that subreddit is high-quality, but by no means is it all high-quality, and they often remove comments from people that dispute the narratives that are pushed there. The topics of his…

The idea that reddit mods are some great asset to the site is just strange, IMO. To me, they're one of the worst things about the website.

Truer words have never been written about reddit. It is a cesspit of censorship with tiny islands of insights.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by pugworthy »

_b wrote: post #139

I think a "down-vote everything" strike could be highly successful. As long as enough users participate, it could cripple subs whose moderators didn't choose to participate. And it is fitting. Reddit is trying to charge its users for content and data created for free by its users, so why shouldn't users make that data junk for awhile to make a statement?

RIP anyone's karma on comments or posts

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by OldManRyan »

OldManRyan wrote: post #586
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #573

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And now I want to explain why you're wrong. The vast majority of people who are visiting subreddits are doing so because they're actively seeking out the material being presented to them. These people are subscribers to the subreddits. Subreddits that "go dark" are not blocked for everyone. Their access is restricted ONLY for those who have not yet subscribed to the subreddit. So this giant display of enlightened ass…

> The vast majority of people who are visiting subreddits are doing so because they're actively seeking out the material being presented to them. These people are subscribers to the subreddits. Subreddits that "go dark" are not blocked for everyone. Their access is restricted ONLY for those who have not yet subscribed to the subreddit. I don't believe this is true but I'm willing to test it out. I'll subscribe to a b…

One of the subreddits I subbed to has gone dark and I cannot access it so I can confirm this is not true.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by darknavi »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #672
cipheredStones wrote: post #553

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Per the Apollo developer's post, a huge amount of the problem is existing subscriptions already sold for $10/year, which are now massive costs - and negative on net if there's even four months left on them. Not that having the price of your app suddenly quadruple from $10/year to $40/year because of API fees would be a small problem on its own! https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_w... ("Why not…

Reimburse the yearly subscription their prorated amount and offer the new subscription amount, or even offer to apply the remainder as credit towards the new subscription. Seems pretty easy and obvious.

A lot harder to do with ~30 days notice on insane pricing though.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by darknavi »

drexlspivey wrote: post #195
jimmytucson wrote: post #144

For the uninitiated, $2.52/month is what it would cost users to browse Reddit with Apollo under the current API pricing. RIF would be just $0.73/month[1]. For comparison, Reddit Premium is $5.99/month[2]. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/comment/... [2] https://www.reddit.com/premium

I don't get why you can't just bring your own API key with Apollo. It seems pretty simple to have the user go through Oauth to set up an app and have his own quota.

The developer of Apollo has no interest in working with Reddit after this cluster fuck.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by firecall »

GolfPopper wrote: post #167
wpietri wrote: post #87

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Twitter too! When I worked there they jokingly referred to the head of product as the defense against the dark arts teacher, in that every year or so they'd disappear mysteriously and there'd be a new one. Most of Twitter's successes came from watching what users were actually doing and supporting that (e.g., at mentions, retweets, quote tweets). Many of their failures have been trying to graft on something irrelevan…

I think there's a fundamental conflict, in that these network effect businesses are terrible as for-profit businesses. They're of great value to those who use them, and indirectly to society as a whole. Yet there's no good way to monetize them (nor does there need to be monetization), and trying to do so damages the functionality of the network. Both Twitter and Reddit would likely be better off (from the POV of the…

I'm not sure I agree with that, as it's hard to ignore Facebook.

Facebook is astoundingly profitable, and is the canonical example of network effects. Almost everyone I've ever known is or was on Facebook.

So I don't consider Network Effect Businesses to be terrible as for-profits in and of themselves.

The issue perhaps is that there is an expectation that they can become Google or Facebook.

Now we have a generation raised on social media that doesn't require your real name, maybe we will see a new platform reach Facebook levels.

TikTok and YouTube are obviously huge, but slightly different again to Facebook.

As an aside, people talk about how amazing Tik Tok is, but in the end, it's really just the creators uploading content that make it work.

Facebook captured Advertising dollars, in part, by investing in Ad infrastructure and building tools that companies could use to create targeted Ads. Every other platform, apart from AdWords, felt unfinished, especially Twitter!

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by wincy »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #661
jrnichols wrote: post #646

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This problem became much worse when Covid-19 came around too. Still to this day, there is a mod that will auto ban you from like 30 different subs including /r/pics and others if you so much as make a comment in a sub that they consider "covid minimizing" at all. How on earth reddit continues to allow such actions like that are beyond me.

>actions like that are beyond me I have this theory that religion is part of the human psyche, and that in 2023 we have more people that belong to a specific but as of yet unnamed religion than any point in history. It just doesn’t have a bible, it’s a screen. Requires conformity, but doesn’t have a dress code. There is ceremony seen in emojis. And the priests are people you know are lying but it’s the other guys tha…

This is honestly a pretty profound comment. Also, I think you’re right.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by creatonez »

Blackthorn wrote: post #173
bottlepalm wrote: post #129

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If you ran a website, would you allow 3rd parties to reproduce and sell your data for free?

I ran a popular wiki for a decade and did exactly that, complete with API. Charging for it would have been insane landlord behavior because all the content on it was created by its users.

MediaWiki has DataDump^1, and ArchiveTeam has a bot that can use it this extension as an API to mass-archive many wikis at once. Very useful since it gives an archive of article revisions and images in a machine-readable format that can be used to recreate the entire wiki, minus user accounts.

^1: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DataDump

Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/4LUn9Nv.png

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