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Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

jrnichols wrote: post #646
altonas wrote: post #431

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I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this. I'm active in some video game subreddits and I even mod a video game related sub with about 25k subscribers. And on multiple occasions I've had terrible interactions with those big multi-sub moderators. A particularly infamous multi-sub mod (whom you can probably figure out) has threatened me for my subreddit on multiple occasions, making statements like "I'll have…

This problem became much worse when Covid-19 came around too. Still to this day, there is a mod that will auto ban you from like 30 different subs including /r/pics and others if you so much as make a comment in a sub that they consider "covid minimizing" at all. How on earth reddit continues to allow such actions like that are beyond me.

>actions like that are beyond me

I have this theory that religion is part of the human psyche, and that in 2023 we have more people that belong to a specific but as of yet unnamed religion than any point in history.

It just doesn’t have a bible, it’s a screen. Requires conformity, but doesn’t have a dress code. There is ceremony seen in emojis. And the priests are people you know are lying but it’s the other guys that are always “the problem”. You are a good person only if you do what you are told.

Honestly it explains A LOT.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by wpietri »

TX81Z wrote: post #257
foobarbecue wrote: post #209

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Exactly. I'm headed back to wikipedia, where I found community as a teenager. I think you can draw a direct line from wikimedia's nonprofit status to 22 years of greatness and steady improvement.

A friend there once told me the exec-level staff basically just does what the users want and they lack any real “authority” over the site. However, the drawback is they had a lot of great ideas for improvements but the power users throw a fit over any changes.

It sounds like you think it odd that exec-level staff should be honoring the wishes of the people who do all the work, but I'm not getting why. Sure, most companies are authoritarian hierarchies. But most companies also pay people enough that they'll put up with the authoritarianism, at least for a while. When you pay $0 for core labor, that means you've given up most of your ability to push people around.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by memefrog »

hinkley wrote: post #102
lobstrosity420 wrote: post #36

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I don’t think Reddit being replaced is as much of a given as everyone seems to think. People might simply get tired of the concept altogether. Nobody needs a vote based link aggregator thingy in their lives, and there is no shortage of social media in sight.

The hobby and craftsmanship forums are a lot less link farming. You can take or leave politics and current events I suppose, but something like discord or slack can’t sustain a conversation over hours or days. It gets flooded out by other conversations in four to twelve hours and then poof it’s gone. And there’s also the “better moderation than YouTube comments” aspects. Whatever Reddit is or can be, it’s lot as toxi…

Can reddit sustain a conversation over days? Except on the most inactive subreddits, nothing stays on the front page for more than about a day. The result is that the only people continuing the conversation are people responding from their inboxes, getting into back-and-forth arguments sometimes 50-100 replies deep.

That's actually one of the things that I dislike most about the site, and the reason I've stopped using it: there's no institutional memory. Subreddits can have two stickied posts. One of them is usually some sort of daily discussion thread and the other is some sort of announcement. Anything that isn't stickied will fall off eventually even if it would stay active otherwise. On traditional forums, replying to a post bumped it to the top. Most posts would be recent, but not all. Posts died when people stopped replying to them. And you could have as many stickies as you liked. Most forums had threads that were dozens or hundreds of pages long. For example, MTG the Source has a 399 page thread about the Merfolk legacy deck which was started in 2008. The most recent reply was on the 26th of March this year - it's still active. You just don't get that sort of thing on Reddit. So you get people asking really basic questions forever.

I think Reddit can be great for beginners to a hobby or a topic. It tends to cater to them relatively well. You can get lots of upvotes on your "Hey I made my first [X]" post, and the culture encourages people to hold the hands of people with basic questions. On traditional forums, the culture was usually "RTFM noob, read the sticky". Less kind? Yes. More productive? Yes. People get burnt out answering basic questions repeatedly pretty quickly. Subreddits have to invent all these new ways of maintaining information (subreddit wikis, sticky threads with links to other threads and external links, off-site information linked from the sidebar, etc).

I think Reddit has the same problem just over a longer timescale. Discord can't maintain a conversation for much more than an hour. Reddit can't maintain a conversation for much more than a day. On both, people try to work around it by having special channels or posts that have links to external resources, etc. But what those communities should actually use is phpBB.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by symlinkk »

opello wrote: post #548
not_a_shill wrote: post #397

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People would pay $5 a month. They do on discord for...animated emoticons. It's actually hard to believe people are throwing this big a fit over something they don't deem worthy of $5 a month.

I think it's because Reddit came to a solution that put a rather large and sudden burden on the app developers. Had it been something like "starting next year only Premium users will get to auth to the API" (which is analogous to the $5/mo. of Discord Nitro) the lead time would have been greater and the users would have been able to solve the problem of access on their own. I imagine this being less desirable when in…

No it’s because Redditors love being drama queens about things. Remember “net neutrality” and how every Redditor was acting like the sky was falling down? This is the same thing. In 2 weeks people will forget about it and move on.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by asveikau »

chasd00 wrote: post #569
asveikau wrote: post #541

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I don't know if this is true, but I heard that recently, searching Twitter for "cats" led you to videos of cats being mutilated. The story continued that Elon had fired the entire team devoted to preventing such outcomes. https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-removes-autocomplete... Somehow hearing this story made me picture my daughter, 10, searching for cat videos.

> Somehow hearing this story made me picture my daughter, 10, searching for cat videos I don't think Twitter has ever been a place for children.

She's pretty close to teenage years. I wasn't much older than her when I started using IRC.

She can search YouTube for cats and not get that stuff.

But I frequently think of my kids even for situations they don't directly risk. Call it an empathy gauge.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by Mystery-Machine »

TX81Z wrote: post #264
bottlepalm wrote: post #32

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Reddit wanted 2.50/month/app which is like $30 ARPU, Facebook is $200 ARPU in the US. The app they’re burning down Reddit over is already charging $1/month and was ready to sell out and shut down for $10 million. Correct me if I’m wrong, but we usually don’t give out API keys to allow users to wholesale reproduce, redistribute, resell our data for free.

“Our data”.

Unexpected communism

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by Mystery-Machine »

bottlepalm wrote: post #32
wpietri wrote: post #11

Great! There's a picket line I won't be crossing. Not just for those subs, of course, but for all of Reddit. The reason Reddit is valuable is not the few execs making these (IMHO terrible) decisions. It's the thousands of mods and the millions of people creating and organizing the content that I go there to read. Until those people are happy with things, I'm not going back.

Reddit wanted 2.50/month/app which is like $30 ARPU, Facebook is $200 ARPU in the US. The app they’re burning down Reddit over is already charging $1/month and was ready to sell out and shut down for $10 million. Correct me if I’m wrong, but we usually don’t give out API keys to allow users to wholesale reproduce, redistribute, resell our data for free.

You are right and everyone else is wrong.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

ImaCake wrote: post #623
altonas wrote: post #431

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I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this. I'm active in some video game subreddits and I even mod a video game related sub with about 25k subscribers. And on multiple occasions I've had terrible interactions with those big multi-sub moderators. A particularly infamous multi-sub mod (whom you can probably figure out) has threatened me for my subreddit on multiple occasions, making statements like "I'll have…

This stuff happens on the mental health subreddits too. Its bad enough to always second guess your own diagnosis but its worse when a mod decides you are excluded from one of the few places that will tentatively accept you.

I have a direct family member that was very ill, thought maybe they were transgender, tried that out, their mental state was not improving, got professional help from a doctor that listened instead of supporting every thought, got a lot better, and spent this year de-transitioning.

I talked a little about their experience and, instantly banned from a handful of Reddit including a ban on my account that I appealed.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by tomcam »

_djo_ wrote: post #552
asveikau wrote: post #541

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I don't know if this is true, but I heard that recently, searching Twitter for "cats" led you to videos of cats being mutilated. The story continued that Elon had fired the entire team devoted to preventing such outcomes. https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-removes-autocomplete... Somehow hearing this story made me picture my daughter, 10, searching for cat videos.

Yes, it’s accurate. I tested it at the time and was shown that video. It was later fixed for ‘cats’, but it took a while. There have been other examples beyond that cat video too, that just got a lot of attention.

Couldn’t verify?

https://twitter.com/search?q=%20Cats&src=typed_query

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by lelanthran »

jupp0r wrote: post #73
bottlepalm wrote: post #32

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Reddit wanted 2.50/month/app which is like $30 ARPU, Facebook is $200 ARPU in the US. The app they’re burning down Reddit over is already charging $1/month and was ready to sell out and shut down for $10 million. Correct me if I’m wrong, but we usually don’t give out API keys to allow users to wholesale reproduce, redistribute, resell our data for free.

It's not Reddit's content, it's the community's. It's literally users wanting to access their own stuff in a different way. If Reddit thinks it's theirs, they will soon notice that nothing is left of their business when those communities have moved elsewhere. To even create this war against your own users is complete folly.

> If Reddit thinks it's theirs, they will soon notice that nothing is left of their business when those communities have moved elsewhere.

Where are they gonna move to?

I'm not being facetious, I'd really rather like to know - where on earth are all these moderators going to start up their new groups on?

If there was a viable alternative they would've found it by now and there wouldn't be a strike, there'd be a desertion. The fact is that even if the moderators want to move, the userbase isn't necessarily going to follow them.

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