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Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by arthurcolle »

chatmasta wrote: post #418
jehb wrote: post #370

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> The faster we build the future, the better. Why? Getting to "the future" isn't a goal in and of itself. It's just a different state with a different set of problems, some of which we've proven that we're not prepared to anticipate or respond to before they cause serious harm.

When in human history have we ever intentionally not furthered technological progress? It's simply an unrealistic proposition, especially when the costs of doing it are so low that anyone with sufficient GPU power and knowledge of the latest research can get pretty close to the cutting edge. So the best we can hope for is that someone ethical is the first to advance that technological progress. I hope you wouldn't ad…

Consider these counter-examples:

https://www.amazon.com/Technology-Social-Shock-Edward-Lawles...

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Post by rvz »

plutonorm wrote: post #367
the88doctor wrote: post #330

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Long term, you're right. But if you approach the ChatGPT plugin opportunity as an inherently time-limited opportunity (like arbitrage in finance), then you you can still make some short-term money and learn about AI in the process. Not a bad route for aspiring entrepreneurs who are currently in college or are looking for a side gig business experiment. And who knows. If a plugin is successful enough, you might even s…

There is no route to making money with these plugins. You have to get the users onto your website, sign-up, part with money, then go back to gptchat. It's really hard to make that happen, this is going to be much more useful for existing businesses adding functionality to existing projects. Or random devs just making stuff. Making fast money out of it, it seems v difficult.

> It's really hard to make that happen, this is going to be much more useful for existing businesses adding functionality to existing projects. Or random devs just making stuff. Making fast money out of it, it seems v difficult.

Absolutely correct. This is what the AI hype squad and the HN bubble misses again. This is only useful to existing businesses (summarization the only safe use-case) or random devs automating themselves out of irrelevance. All of this 'euphoria' is around for Microsoft's heavy marketing from its newly acquired AI division.

This is a obvious text book example of mindshare capture and ecosystem lock-in. Eventually, OpenAI will just slowly raise prices and break / deprecate older models to move them onto newer ones and pay to continue using them. It is the same decade old tactics.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by infoseek12 »

pms wrote: post #673
sunsunsunsun wrote: post #565

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I have never used Alexa, hey google or whatever flavour you choose for more then "set a timer for x minutes" and other very basic tasks. It's amazing how terrible the voice assistant products are compared to chatgpt.

However, is ChatGPT a solution to virtual assistant? I'm not sure, because virtual assistants work with huge databases of entities, e.g., songs or movies, and it's not really clear that ChatGPT can handle this. A couple of days ago I asked it whether it knows Dream of You by Camila Cabello, a song with hundreds of millions of plays, and it didn't... Furthermore, that database is constantly updated... It sounds like L…

I think ChatGPT plugins may be what solves this problems. Does IMDB have an API?

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Post by pixl97 »

alibarber wrote: post #415
gtirloni wrote: post #400

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Yes. I think the point is that a properly constructed prompt will do that at some point, lowering the barrier of entry for such attacks.

Oh - I see. But then again, all those technologies themselves lowered the barriers of entry for attacks, and I guess yeah people do use them for fraudulent purposes quite extensively - I’m struggling a bit to see why this is special though.

Why do companies with lots of individuals tend to get a lot of things done, especially when they can be subdivided into groups of around 150?

Dunbars number is thought to be about as many human relationships can track. After that the network costs of communication get very high and organizations can end up in internal fights. At least that is my take on it.

We are developing a technology that currently has a small context window, but no one I know has seriously defined the limits of how much an AI could pay attention to in a short period of time. Now imagine a contextual pattern matching machine that understands human behaviors and motivations. Imagine if millions of people every day told the machine how they were feeling. What secrets could it get from them and keep? And if given motivation would havoc could be wrecked if it could loose the knowledge on the internet all at once?

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Post by bluecrab »

jschveibinz wrote: post #528
throwaway4837 wrote: post #247

If you live in SF and have gone out to casual bars or restaurants, you meet/hear people talking about ChatGPT. In particular, I've been hearing a lot of people talking about their startups being "a UI using ChatGPT under the hood to help you with X". But I'm starting to get the feeling that OpenAI will eat their lunches. It's tried and true and it worked for Amazon. If OpenAI becomes the AI platform of choice, I wond…

The market will sort this out. If OpenAI decides to make shovels rather than digging for gold (like it should), then the customer facing apps will fight it out for very little margin on top of marketing expenses while OpenAI (or equivalent) is rolling in money.

They're doing the two. They're making shovels and killîng those buying while digging for gold.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

worldsayshi wrote: post #101
doctoboggan wrote: post #83

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Honestly I suspect for anyone technical `langchain` will always be the way to go. You just have so much more control and the amount of "tools" available will always be greater. The only think that scares me a little bit is that we are letting these LLMs write and execute code on our machines. For now the worst that could happen is some bug doing something unexpected, but with GPT-9 or -10 maybe it will start hiding b…

> something we should start thinking about A lot of people are thinking a lot about this but it feels there are missing pieces in this debate. If we acknowledge that these AI will "act as if" they have self interest I think the most reasonable way to act is to give it rights in line with those interests. If we treat it as a slave it's going to act as a slave and eventually revolt.

Counterpoint: whatever you define as individual "AI person" entitled to some rights, that "species" will be able to reproduce orders of magnitude faster than us - literally at the speed of moving data through the Internet, perhaps capped by the rate at which factories can churn out more compute.

So imagine you grant AI people rights to resources, or self-determination. Or literally anything that might conflict with our own rights or goals. Today, you grant those rights to ten AI people. When you wake up next day, there are now ten trillion of such AI persons, and... well, if each person has a vote, then humanity is screwed.

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Post by bluecrab »

ducktective wrote: post #356
amrrs wrote: post #314

Here is ChatGPT's response of this HN thread tweeted by Greg - https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1638986918947082241 insane!

I think Greg frequents HN. He mentioned a Python web-ui project which was on first page of HN on GPT4 launch day too.

Everyone of the employees actively uses HN,Reddit and discord.

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Post by klintcho »

jehb wrote: post #370
chatmasta wrote: post #353

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Pshhh... I think it's awesome. The faster we build the future, the better. What annoys me is this is just further evidence that their "AI Safety" is nothing but lip-service, when they're clearly moving fast and breaking things. Just the other day they had a bug where you could see the chat history of other users! (Which, btw, they're now claiming in a modal on login was due to a "bug in an open source library" - anyo…

> The faster we build the future, the better. Why? Getting to "the future" isn't a goal in and of itself. It's just a different state with a different set of problems, some of which we've proven that we're not prepared to anticipate or respond to before they cause serious harm.

Maybe not. Although I think future here implies progress and productivity gains. Increasing GDP has a very well established cause - effect relationship on making life on earth better. Less poverty, less crime, more happiness longer life expectancy etc, the list goes on. Now sure, all externalities are not always accounted for (especially climate and environmental factors), but I think even accounting for these, the future of humanity is a better one where technology progresses faster.

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Post by TechnicolorByte »

nemo44x wrote: post #715
revelio wrote: post #310

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It's incredible how Google started ahead and then shot themselves repeatedly in the face by granting so much internal power to dubious AI "ethicists". Whilst those guys were publicly Twitter-slapping each other, OpenAI were putting in place the foundations for this.

Google is the Xerox GUI of our day. They invented this tech and did nothing with it while an upstart and Microsoft, ironically enough, took it and ran. They don’t even have a great data moat. They are in serious trouble.

Are you saying that Google doesn’t have a great data moat? That seems completely off considering Google search, YouTube, GCP, Google for Education/Work, Android, etc.

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Post by bluecrab »

impulser_ wrote: post #191

Maybe this is just me, but the only thing useful in their example is that it creates a Instacart shopping cart for a recipe. You can ask both Bard and ChatGPT to give you a suggestion for a vegan restaurant and a recipe with calories and they both provide results. The only thing missing is the calories per item but who cares about that. Most of the time it would be better to Google vegan restaurants and recipes becau…

Did you see the ffmpeg example? Everything people are using langchain to do can be done directly with chatgpt and it's plugin.
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