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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by meepmorp »

jchw wrote: post #596
jchw wrote: post #147

On one hand: Elon Musk has clearly directly been involved in having accounts suspended in the past, because it happened when he got upset about parody accounts making fun of him. On the other hand: there's no particular information here yet, regarding the reason why the account was banned, nor does anyone know if Elon Musk actually had anything directly to do with it. Elon Musk has a ton of fanboys who would probably…

I'm surprised this struck so much of a nerve here (based on votes and the reply.) Disappointed, but I'm not going to take it personally; if you're reading this and it's somehow pissing you off, I strongly suggest spending some time away from the computer.

> if you're reading this and it's somehow pissing you off, I strongly suggest spending some time away from the computer.

I upvoted your first comment because it was a decent and reasonable one. I downvoted this one because your passive aggressive swat at people who disagree with you is bullshit. If you were actually not taking it personally, you wouldn't have mentioned it at all.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by e40 »

jszymborski wrote: post #666

When the Elon/Twitter transaction went through, there were a lot of HN comments stating that they thought that this might actually mean a more open, "freer" Twitter. When I mentioned that Elon had already been using his power unilaterally to re-platform personal allies like Babylon Bee and Ye, I got all sorts of pedantry about the difference between suspension and banning, more pedantry about the Ye reactivation happ…

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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by mathlover2 »

spritefs wrote: post #622
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

Yeah I agree that Elon is full of shit, but there's a little lie in here that needs to be addressed: > normal company operation in good faith But it wasn't "normal company operation" because they completely disregarded preexisting company policy for dealing with political figures. Here are political figures that they didn't ban (who were inciting violence) > 20. In June 2018, Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei tweeted, “#…

Have you considered that many people here actually work in companies and know how they work, meaning they don't need a media source to know that the Twitter files are bogus? In fact, most people here have brains and can think for themselves, and we actually don't rely on a media outlet for all our takes.

Have you also considered that there is a huge difference between Khamenei and PMs saber rattling online against other countries (which was actually consistent with Twitter's then current policy of treating world leaders, Trump included, with a lenient hand) vs. a president not condemning and (very likely encouraging) an attempt by his own supporters seeking to overturn an election as said attempt was going on?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by jklinger410 »

40four wrote: post #539

It's amazing to me the mental gymnastics one must have to do to defend the @ElonJet account, simply because you might not like Elon on a personal level. Of course that account should be suspended. Yeah I know, public information/ free speech, blah blah. But it is quite frankly a personal attack on Musk, and I consider it a form of Doxxing. As high profile as Musk is, something like that account is a real threat to hi…

My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk - @elonmusk 11/06/22

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Post by three_seagrass »

PathOfEclipse wrote: post #710
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

> I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Where's the hypocrisy? Musk said he wanted to broaden the speech allowed on the platform, not allow speech of all kinds. > "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem like a liberal conspiracy." Maybe try getting your info from a non-leftwing source. There…

> Where's the hypocrisy?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

> "My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk"

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by woodruffw »

EarlKing wrote: post #592
troyvit wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all about what we call a "reasonable expectation of privacy" right? And all Sweeney did was publish information that was already publicly available[1], right? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sweeney

So if someone goes around taking a picture of your vehicle everywhere you go you won't have any objections to that because you have no reasonable expectation of privacy and it's all publicly available information. Got it. I'm sure you'll stoically accept such behavior rather than scream for it to stop.

This is exactly what highway toll systems and ALPR enforcement already do.

But even on the public side: yes, this would be entirely appropriate. It's not clear what the alternative would even be; what would it look like to have civilian evidence in e.g. traffic accidents if people weren't allowed to take pictures of others' cars?

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Post by vibrio »

40four wrote: post #612
encoderer wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re “flabbergasted”? This is publicly available information. What exactly is the safety threat with this twitter acct?

Public information or not, that doesn't make it ethical. It would be different if it tracked other celebrities also. It's a personal attack. I don't know why I have to explain why it would be a safety threat, but sure. Someone who wanted to do harm to Elon having easy access to his whereabouts at all time? Put yourself in his shoes. Would that make you feel more or less safe? And these days, someone wanting to harm h…

I don't disagree with your point but this aciton puts a dent into his "free speech absolutist" position which he vigorously embraces. Being an Absolutist is probably fun position to take, but in real life nuance can make things challenging.

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Post by encoderer »

40four wrote: post #612
encoderer wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re “flabbergasted”? This is publicly available information. What exactly is the safety threat with this twitter acct?

Public information or not, that doesn't make it ethical. It would be different if it tracked other celebrities also. It's a personal attack. I don't know why I have to explain why it would be a safety threat, but sure. Someone who wanted to do harm to Elon having easy access to his whereabouts at all time? Put yourself in his shoes. Would that make you feel more or less safe? And these days, someone wanting to harm h…

What’s the security risk? Can you describe one credible security concern this poses?

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Post by neontomo »

javawizard wrote: post #417
CommieBobDole wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Musk's behavior (and the behavior of a lot of public figures, really) makes more sense if you assume that he's not saying things to express ideas, but instead regards words as noises that you make with your mouth that cause other people to do or think things; if they stop having the intended effect, you have to change the noises. It's not hypocrisy, it's the natural outgrowth of seeing other people as a colle…

I'm reminded of Bryan Cantrill's famous "Do not anthropomorphize Larry Ellison" diatribe: https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2305

I don't know what the reference is, but that is hilarious! Thanks.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by lxgr »

PathOfEclipse wrote: post #710
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

> I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Where's the hypocrisy? Musk said he wanted to broaden the speech allowed on the platform, not allow speech of all kinds. > "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem like a liberal conspiracy." Maybe try getting your info from a non-leftwing source. There…

Elon himself, on https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376:

> By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law.

Was the account violating any law?

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