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Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by munificent »

joshe wrote: post #379

This is probably the only tech acquisition that's ever made me sad. I just hate Adobe so much. The nightmare of their installer, the weird store with horrible designs popping up when you activate normal ui stuff, the difficulty in canceling a subscription, and the stasis in their product and ui. Oh and the sloppiness of Lightroom on mac with it's weird ui and that it didn't even import and manage photos well. I've be…

Every single one of these corporate consolidations makes me sad. Competition and heterogeneity are critical for capitalism to function and everyone one of these mergers reduces it.

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by ebertucc »

amatecha wrote: post #673
anigbrowl wrote: post #641

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I used to beta test for them. A few months back I took at look at the current version of Audition to see what I'd been missing out on since the days of CS6 nearly a decade ago. Three things have changed. It now includes one third-party plugin (that anyone could purchase) offering an alternative volume meter - the equivalent of a slightly different color histogram for photo/video software. It offers some new presets w…

CoolEdit! haven't heard that name in a while. Yeah, Adobe used to be ultra-respected, especially in the 90's as Photoshop took the world by storm. These days, as you can see, the response to "X acquired by Adobe" is met with universal disappointment (except by those who have Adobe stock, I guess).

Even those with Adobe stock are not happy; Adobe's shares are down over 15% since the announcement.

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by scarecrowbob »

GuB-42 wrote: post #577
mortenjorck wrote: post #494

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I can't think of any other company to which my relationship as a customer has swung so completely as Adobe. In the 2000s, their tools were unsurpassed, and I was happy to pay the premium prices they asked (though I'd skip versions to save money). When Creative Suite was discontinued, that was a pretty abrupt turn, as I had no interest in a subscription for software I only used for personal projects. And yet, I stayed…

> their tools were unsurpassed Why the past tense? Which tools have been surpassed? Have Photoshop been surpassed? I am genuinely curious here. I take note of Capture One, but is it an "acceptable yet technically inferior alternative that I picked because I don't agree with Adobe business practices" (which I think is a valid reason) or a viable alternative even for someone who doesn't have a problem dealing with Adob…

"Which tools have been surpassed? "

Davinci Resolve is, for my use case, just as good as Premiere and Afx.

It's also free.

I wish gimp was as good as Ps.

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by emanuelez »

GuB-42 wrote: post #577
mortenjorck wrote: post #494

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I can't think of any other company to which my relationship as a customer has swung so completely as Adobe. In the 2000s, their tools were unsurpassed, and I was happy to pay the premium prices they asked (though I'd skip versions to save money). When Creative Suite was discontinued, that was a pretty abrupt turn, as I had no interest in a subscription for software I only used for personal projects. And yet, I stayed…

> their tools were unsurpassed Why the past tense? Which tools have been surpassed? Have Photoshop been surpassed? I am genuinely curious here. I take note of Capture One, but is it an "acceptable yet technically inferior alternative that I picked because I don't agree with Adobe business practices" (which I think is a valid reason) or a viable alternative even for someone who doesn't have a problem dealing with Adob…

Disclaimer: Capture One employee here. That being said I invite anyone to try out the free trial and confirm or dis-confirm my claims.

In my opinion Capture One best features are:

1) image and color quality 2) tethering capabilities 3) workflow customization and optimization

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by dforrestwilson »

joshe wrote: post #379

This is probably the only tech acquisition that's ever made me sad. I just hate Adobe so much. The nightmare of their installer, the weird store with horrible designs popping up when you activate normal ui stuff, the difficulty in canceling a subscription, and the stasis in their product and ui. Oh and the sloppiness of Lightroom on mac with it's weird ui and that it didn't even import and manage photos well. I've be…

Now would be a good time for the regulators to acknowledge that yes, Adobe is a monopoly, and to block this.

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by oangemangut »

drchopchop wrote: post #244
nayroclade wrote: post #54

Many years ago, when Adobe bought Macromedia, they acquired a tool called Fireworks[1]. This was a combined bitmap and vector editor that was incredibly well-optimised for user-interface and web design, at a time when most designers were paying exorbitant license fees to do such work painfully and slowly in Photoshop and Illustrator. Fireworks was cheap, powerful, and hugely ahead of its time. Many of the features an…

These tools aren't interchangeable. Photoshop is for editing images. Illustrator is for editing vector graphics. Figma is a multiplayer layout tool, which can be used for web, print, or anything else. The main use cases for enterprise are a) it's web-accessible, and b) the realtime collaboration/revision/commenting tools. The smart thing would be to just sunset Adobe XD and replace it with Adobe Figma.

Pretty sure that's the long term plan.

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Post by lenkite »

skyfalldev wrote: post #725
lenkite wrote: post #714

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Kinda weird complaining about Adobe subscription pricing in a Figma thread when Figma also has the subscription pricing model.

Figma doesn't have Adobe's predatory cancellation fees AFAIK.

What are these predatory cancellation fees ?

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by ringostarr »

jansan wrote: post #207
bongobingo1 wrote: post #118

Adobe can't eat penpot! https://github.com/penpot/penpot https://penpot.app/ https://help.penpot.app/technical-guide/getting-started/#sta...

I am really curious: What features of Figma are not available in Penpot?

Access to local fonts is missing

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by alwillis »

oblio wrote: post #693
ortusdux wrote: post #682

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I find myself coming back to this Steve Jobs quote more and more: "It turns out the same thing can happen in technology companies that get monopolies, like IBM or Xerox. If you were a product person at IBM or Xerox, so you make a better copier or computer. So what? When you have monopoly market share, the company's not any more successful. So the people that can make the company more successful are sales and marketin…

Creatives also destroy companies. See NeXT or whatever the weird letter casing was.

Ironically when Apple acquired NeXT, it was essentially a reverse take over, since almost every significant executive and technical position of the merged company was from NeXT.

It was NeXT that saved Apple with their tools (including Interface Builder and the use of Objective-C) that gave Apple the technological lead that allowed them to grow into the company they are today.

Scott Forstall was the NeXT guy that headed the iOS (née iPhone OS)team and we know how that turned out.

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Post by alwillis »

fancy_pantser wrote: post #601
GuB-42 wrote: post #577

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> their tools were unsurpassed Why the past tense? Which tools have been surpassed? Have Photoshop been surpassed? I am genuinely curious here. I take note of Capture One, but is it an "acceptable yet technically inferior alternative that I picked because I don't agree with Adobe business practices" (which I think is a valid reason) or a viable alternative even for someone who doesn't have a problem dealing with Adob…

Affinity Designer, Photo, and Publisher have been a breath of fresh air for the last few years. They have you pay once, not a subscription. The features keep coming at a great pace while retaining a very sensible UI.

Couldn’t agree more.

Reminds me of the early days when pro Mac software was well designed and reasonably priced; not the bloatware we get from Adobe and Microsoft today, for example.

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