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Re: The media's lab leak fiasco

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 5:25 AM UTC

iammisc wrote: post #504

Godel_unicode wrote: post #389

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Remember, the discussion of the lab leak theory is strongly correlated with a rise in hate crimes against Asian-Americans. There were also lots of links made between the lab leak theory and needing to tighten immigration policies to keep out "undesirables".

> Remember, the discussion of the lab leak theory is strongly correlated with a rise in hate crimes against Asian-Americans By black people, the group least likely to be part of the party whose leader's immigration policy you decry, and who have always had anti-asian sentiment after the LA riots.

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Re: The media's lab leak fiasco

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Post by triceratops » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 12:33 AM UTC

the_optimist wrote: post #730

triceratops wrote: post #722

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> indicted ham-sandwich Russians, then later retreated. Citation needed. > Only process crimes charged (lying, interfering). Why lie or interfere if you didn't commit any crimes? These aren't random Joes with bad/no legal representation who didn't know what they were doing. You have to assume they were doing it to cover up more serious crimes and assumed they would be pardoned. Which turned out to be true. > Buying a…

>Citation needed. read the docs > Why lie or interfere if you didn't commit any crimes? Fundamental misunderstanding of justice and the US justice system. > buy political ads "political" Not here to open your eyes for you, but again I appreciate you exposing your perspectives to the light.

> Fundamental misunderstanding of justice and the US justice system

Because the people committing those crimes didn't know the Fifth Amendment? You don't have to say anything. There's really no reason to lie; other than to cover up something worse. Explain the pardons.

Re: The media's lab leak fiasco

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Post by the_optimist » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 1:44 AM UTC

the_optimist wrote: post #730

triceratops wrote: post #722

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> indicted ham-sandwich Russians, then later retreated. Citation needed. > Only process crimes charged (lying, interfering). Why lie or interfere if you didn't commit any crimes? These aren't random Joes with bad/no legal representation who didn't know what they were doing. You have to assume they were doing it to cover up more serious crimes and assumed they would be pardoned. Which turned out to be true. > Buying a…

>Citation needed. read the docs > Why lie or interfere if you didn't commit any crimes? Fundamental misunderstanding of justice and the US justice system. > buy political ads "political" Not here to open your eyes for you, but again I appreciate you exposing your perspectives to the light.

It seems you may be unfamiliar with the theoretical and practice application of the legal system. Here is some food for thought.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1279681

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

Re: The media's lab leak fiasco

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Post by Breza » Sun, Jun 06, 2021, 12:01 AM UTC

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #297

Over the last several years, it's become clear to me what the large social media companies want to be: de facto world governments. They won't admit that, and you'll hear a lot of gab about algorithms and cooperation with various governments, but at heart it appears to me that this is cooperation with various governments as a government themselves. It's a negotiation among equals. We can provincially argue about who c…

I also yearn for more competition in social media. It's wild to think that Facebook has been a huge player for most of the history of the web.

Re: The media's lab leak fiasco

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Post by timtas » Sun, Jun 06, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

This is pretty anemic self reflection. He never even mentions how the scientific establishment was corralled into compliance with the favored narrative by the Lancet letter organized by Daszak, who was a key player funding gain of function research that involved Wuhan and how that letter was the basis for a year of “fact checking” and cancellation.

He didn’t mention how the Washington Post just changed a 15-month-old headline (of the story he links to) to make themselves look better.

This reporter and his ilk are now busily ignoring or downplaying connections of the US government and Fauci to funding of gain of of function research in which the Wuhan lab was involved. (Cuz Rand Paul already made up his mind or something.)

They won’t really learn anything from this sorry episode.

Re: The media's lab leak fiasco

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Post by the_optimist » Tue, Jun 08, 2021, 9:44 PM UTC

websites420 wrote: post #691

the_optimist wrote: post #583

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Your statement follows a pattern of, ‘the person was doing X therefore the unjustifiable response was justified.’ This fails the commonly adopted Rawlsian theory of justice (Veil of Ignorance), and it is known as victim blaming.

I made no statement about whether anyone's actions were justified, only that they made sense given the state of affairs.

If you're not trying to justify it, then no, it doesn't make sense at all. The media failed (or purposefully sought not) to deliver information in a useful form.

Delivering such information is supposedly the reason the media exists. There's no merit or utility in extending that abject failure to the information source or destination.