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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by oopsiforgot7 »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #619
kllrnohj wrote: post #606

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Linus of the Tech Tips variety has said that a major reason they kept paying for the forums, which are a pain to keep healthy & don't generate much revenue, is so that they could have a direct line of communication to their core fan base no matter what happens. Similarly there's a reason LTT launched Floatplane. Risk management is important regardless of how big your business is. Even if you're large enough for youtu…

Couldn’t they just use Twitter or some other platform like everyone else?

Twitter and Google and Facebook often cut a person at the same time. So it's like backuping up your photos to another drive on the same computer. Better than nothing but not ideal.

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Post by ric2b »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #563
mmastrac wrote: post #544

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Copyright infringement isn't theft.

Illegal copying? Call it what you will, if you had paid for the Dark Knight, WB would get $5. Instead they get $0. It's illegal and if everyone did it, movies would not exist.

If everyone took the bus the car industry would also collapse. But if buses didn't exist people might take the train instead.

You can't just assume that people that don't use your service would be paying customers if a specific alternative wasn't there.

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Post by ric2b »

swebs wrote: post #371
cableshaft wrote: post #4

I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

Can't he give out his videos to subscribers in a torrent or something? That way you don't need any infrastructure to get it out there.

Or use PeerTube, which is built on top of torrents but provides a similar experience to a video site.

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Post by alok-g »

thdrdt wrote: post #185
cableshaft wrote: post #4

I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

"...and pretty much have their entire business on there..." This is what I don't get about YouTubers. They created a business with basically only one source of income. This is bad practice in every business book. I am a freelancer. If I only had one customer my business would be instantly over when they didn't hire me anymore. YouTubers put too much trust in an untrustworthy business partner.

You too most likely have many single points of failure. Just that it may not have come yet and hopefully never comes.

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Post by dimnsionofsound »

dimnsionofsound wrote: post #432
josefresco wrote: post #379

My kids (like most kids) spend a ton of time on YouTube. We pay for YouTube Premium to remove ads (no-brainer). How does YT compensate creators when the viewer is a Premium customer? Is it the same rate, or better than non-paid viewers?

Linus Sebastian from Linus Media Group has said somewhere that a YouTube premium viewer is worth several times as much as an ad-supported viewer apparently. Apologies for no citation on this.

Found the video where he says this: https://youtu.be/PRQVzPEyldc

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Post by leipert »

toast0 wrote: post #670
leipert wrote: post #627

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Often do that as well, but then: What’s the point. Company X leaked my mail, so what? Not much that one can do about it. Now I often group services, e.g. car rentals with car@ and food delivery services with pizza@ It’s awesome for filtering and sorting emails though.

If company X leaks your email, close your account with them and block the address. Also, it's useful for have i been pwned. One of my few accounts which uses a grouped address is in today's data dump, and it wasn't clear what account it was, because of the grouping.

I found it to be the opposite. Have I been pwned is very exhausting to check with dozen of email addresses, or can one check whole domains?

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Post by Retric »

jefftk wrote: post #582
Retric wrote: post #391

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That supposes the estate is even aware of such content. Which is the issue I am talking about. I would be fine if google disabled formerly free videos until someone agreeded to monetizing them, but to just arbitrarily make that change means it’s done without the possibility of consent.

> I would be fine if google disabled formerly free videos until someone agreed to monetizing them That seems worse? All these videos that I uploaded become inaccessible just because I'm not around to approve monetization? (Disclosure: I work for Google, speaking only for myself)

If I had explicitly removed monetization of a video then yes, I would prefer an explicit conformation of the change. If nothing else to avoid confusion.

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Post by winthrowe »

leipert wrote: post #736
toast0 wrote: post #670

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If company X leaks your email, close your account with them and block the address. Also, it's useful for have i been pwned. One of my few accounts which uses a grouped address is in today's data dump, and it wasn't clear what account it was, because of the grouping.

I found it to be the opposite. Have I been pwned is very exhausting to check with dozen of email addresses, or can one check whole domains?

Yes, you can: https://haveibeenpwned.com/DomainSearch

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

nacs wrote: post #75
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #16

Please use newpipe if you are on android. Your watching ads of your favourite small youtuber wont get them paid anyways because of this so make your experience a bit cleaner. Use newpipe. Also, start looking into peertube. While its still long ways from a competing software, its going strong and the more people join it, the better will be the network effect.

Not sure why this is downvoted but this kind of thing is a good example for why I'm glad things like peertube exist. Youtube was down for a few hours a couple days ago and thats when I realized that just about every video on the internet is now exclusively hosted on Youtube. Even visiting the homepage of some sites, they'll have a Youtube "Here's what our product is"-type video that was no longer working.

Dependency hell is used in coding but it can just as easily be used for google/YouTube.

Peertube already is becoming a good floss competitor software that can be selfhosted. You make the rules, you put advertising if you want.

My reasoning for saying use newpipe with this new rule. Earlier the idea was like you are not watching ads and taking money from creators if only that was 50% of revenue. Now they are not getting nothing so why bother watching obnoxious ads.

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Post by foxhop »

swebs wrote: post #397
foxhop wrote: post #280

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Naw, PeerTube is clunky and I don't think I need the network effect. I want to host videos (for download or streaming) like I host static web pages.

Why not just put the mp4 with every other static file and wrap it in a tag on the page you want to embed it in?

I've done this before for a single video, was wondering if there was a better approach but this is likely what I will do, at a minimum for clients without Javascript.
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